The Useless Burden of Unwanted Knowledge

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The discussion centers around the concept of memory and the perceived burden of retaining information that individuals consider unnecessary or outdated. Participants explore the implications of technology on memory, the instinctual screening of information, and personal anecdotes related to remembering specific details versus relying on devices. The conversation touches on themes of aging, the relevance of knowledge, and the relationship between memory and technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a feeling of burden from retaining information that they deem useless, questioning the efficiency of their memory.
  • Others propose that as people age, they instinctively filter new information based on its potential longevity and relevance.
  • A participant shares a personal anecdote about remembering a childhood phone number, suggesting that some memories do not occupy valuable cognitive space.
  • There is a humorous suggestion about the idea of accessing one's mind like a computer file manager, highlighting the desire for control over memory.
  • Some participants discuss the reliance on technology for memory, noting that this can lead to a lack of retention for certain information, such as phone numbers.
  • Concerns are raised about losing contacts due to technological failures, emphasizing the dependency on devices for memory tasks.
  • One participant reflects on the loss of certain skills, like shimming gearboxes, and expresses a desire to forget past mistakes.
  • Another participant mentions the cultural shift away from certain crafts, indicating a broader context of changing knowledge and skills over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the usefulness of memory and the impact of technology, with no clear consensus on whether the burden of unwanted knowledge is universally felt or how best to manage it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the balance between retaining information and relying on technology.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference personal experiences and cultural shifts without providing a definitive framework for understanding the implications of memory and technology. The discussion includes anecdotal evidence and subjective interpretations of memory's value.

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Watching one of these boring TV quiz shows i found i new answers to questions i have no interest in, it had me thinking how much stuff i know i do not want to know and how much of my memory capacity is used up with useless information.o0)
 
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It would be nice if we could plug into a computer and look at our mind via a file manager, right?

Just don't hit the reset to factory settings button!
 
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As I get older I have discovered that I automatically screen new information for some sense of how long it might be good for. The older a person gets the more you realize how much effort you wasted in your life trying to remember things that ended up being superseded by more recent information.

For example, I find I have an instinctual resistance to remembering the operating hours of any business because there's a really good chance that business will have closed in five years, or, at least, will have changed those hours. Today it makes even less sense to remember stuff like that because you can google just about anything.
 
zoobyshoe said:
As I get older I have discovered that I automatically screen new information for some sense of how long it might be good for. The older a person gets the more you realize how much effort you wasted in your life trying to remember things that ended up being superseded by more recent information.

For example, I find I have an instinctual resistance to remembering the operating hours of any business because there's a really good chance that business will have closed in five years, or, at least, will have changed those hours. Today it makes even less sense to remember stuff like that because you can google just about anything.
How do you screen out stuff you do not even know you are learning?
 
I still remember my family's phone number when we lived in Yuma, AZ, 1954 to 1958 - SU 3-4594. I doubt that remembering this uses up space that could be held for more timely information. The brain is able to retain a lot of stuff -- some useful, some not.
 
wolram said:
How do you screen out stuff you do not even know you are learning?
With my, 'I-don't-even-know-I-am-screening' screen. This is a brain function that's been located on the 'I-can't believe-it's-not-butter' gyrus of the inferior medial 'I-can't-believe-I-just-said-that' area.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Just don't hit the reset to factory settings button!
Sometimes when you catch a virus that's the only way. :-p
Mark44 said:
I still remember my family's phone number when we lived in Yuma, AZ, 1954 to 1958 - SU 3-4594. I doubt that remembering this uses up space that could be held for more timely information. The brain is able to retain a lot of stuff -- some useful, some not.
I stopped memorizing phone numbers a long time ago. Now when somethings happen to the phone and I don't have a backup, I lose contacts for real.
 
Psinter said:
Sometimes when you catch a virus that's the only way. :-p

I stopped memorizing phone numbers a long time ago. Now when somethings happen to the phone and I don't have a backup, I lose contacts for real.
This is a way technology is getting inseparable from day to day living, i need my phone to remember numbers so i don't have to, it is the old information i want to delete
like i do not want to remember how to shim a gearbox, that part of my life is long gone.
 
Psinter said:
I stopped memorizing phone numbers a long time ago. Now when somethings happen to the phone and I don't have a backup, I lose contacts for real.
There are no numbers stored on my cell phone. As far as cell phones are concerned, I am a Luddite. I think I got my cell phone on 2002 - it's a Nokia, with a little bitty screen (monochrome) and an antenna that pulls out. No one knows the number, including me. I use it almost exclusively to call other people, and that only occasionally. I charge it up about twice a year.
 
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Mark44 said:
There are no numbers stored on my cell phone. As far as cell phones are concerned, I am a Luddite. I think I got my cell phone on 2002 - it's a Nokia, with a little bitty screen (monochrome) and an antenna that pulls out. No one knows the number, including me. I use it almost exclusively to call other people, and that only occasionally. I charge it up about twice a year.
Old Nokias are legend (in the sense that they are awesome :bow:). I can't believe you have one. Take good care of it.
wolram said:
like i do not want to remember how to shim a gearbox, that part of my life is long gone.
I don't know what "shim a gearbox" means, but it sounds useful :bugeye:. Things I want to forget are things I think I did that were stupid and also hope everyone else forgets. Like: I really hope no one else remembers it.

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I don't know what "shim a gearbox" means, but it sounds useful :bugeye:. Things I want to forget are things I think I did that were stupid and also hope everyone else forgets. Like: I really hope no one else remembers it.

Shimming gearboxes is a forgotten craft these days a reconditioned unit is cheaper to buy. now what on Earth could you have done that was stupid that you want to forget:cool:
 
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wolram said:
Shimming gearboxes is a forgotten craft these days a reconditioned unit is cheaper to buy.
Oh.
wolram said:
now what on Earth could you have done that was stupid that you want to forget:cool:
Not done, said, in front of many people, in middle school. Who knows...
Galadriel said:
And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth. And for two and a half thousand years...
Good. I like it like that. Let it stay like that.
Galadriel said:
...Rumor grew of a shadow in the East – whispers of a nameless fear.
I said shut up! :H I'll do what you want, just shut up... :cry:

:-p
 
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wolram said:
i need my phone to remember numbers so i don't have to,

The trouble with that is when on the phone and somebody asks me my phone number I have to tell them I have no way to know because I'm on the phone to someone.
 
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