The usual topology is the smallest topology containing the upper and lower topology

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The discussion focuses on proving that the usual topology on the real numbers, denoted as TR(R), is the smallest topology containing both the lower topology (Tl(R)) and the upper topology (Tu(R)). The usual topology is defined as TR(R)={A(a-e,a+e)(-∞ ,a+e)(a-e, ∞) PREREQUISITES

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Trying to prove:
The usual topology is the smallest topology for R containing Tl and Tu.
NOTE: for e>0
The usual topology: TR(R)={A<R|a in A =>(a-e,a+e)<A}
The lower topology: Tl(R)={A<R|a in A =>(-∞ ,a+e)<A}
The upper topology: Tu(R)={A<R|a in A =>(a-e, ∞)<A}

3. The Attempt at a Solution
claim 1: If T is a topology for R s.t. Tl<T and Tu<T then TR<T
proof: let Tl<T and Tu<T
claim 1.1: If p is in TR then p is in T
proof: let p=(a,b) for any a,b in R
Then p is in TR by definition of TR
We know (-∞,b) is in Tl<T and (a,∞) is in Tu<T therefore (-∞,b),(a,∞) are in T
and (-∞,b)^(a,∞)=(a,b) is in T since T is a topology
therefore p is in T
therefore TR<T
...not sure where to go after here maybe show that if there is a T'<TR s.t. Tu<T' and Tl<T' then T'=TR
 
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The smallest topology containing the two would be generated by the intersections of sets open in the two topologies , i.e., sets of the form (-∞ ,b)
and (a, ∞).This is either empty or just the interval (a,b).
 


I get that but that implies that TR={(a,b)|a,b in R} so you get TR<Tl and TR<Tu and we already know that Tl<TR and Tu<TR so then you have that TR=Tl and TR=Tu so then you have Tl=Tu which can't be right
 

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