The value of the standard acceleration due to Earth's gravity

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The discussion revolves around the standard acceleration due to Earth's gravity, specifically the defined value of 9.80665 m/s². Participants explore the methods of calculating this value using different terrestrial radii and the implications of local variations in gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the terrestrial radius used to derive the standard gravity value and express confusion over their own calculations not matching this defined value.
  • Others suggest that the calculations should include specific numbers for Earth's mass and radius to assist in understanding the discrepancies.
  • It is noted that the standard gravity value is defined at a latitude of 45 degrees and accounts for centrifugal acceleration, which complicates the calculations.
  • Some participants mention local variations in gravity due to differing densities and altitudes, which cannot be easily modeled and require local measurements.
  • One participant shares their experience measuring gravity differences using pendulums and other methods, indicating practical challenges in achieving precise measurements.
  • There is a suggestion that the standard gravity value may be a measured rather than calculated figure, with some participants asserting it is now defined with an exact value.
  • Participants reference gravity maps and express uncertainty about their accuracy for specific locations and altitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the methods of calculating the standard gravity value and the factors influencing it. There is no consensus on the specific terrestrial radius to use or the reliability of gravity maps, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of the Earth's shape, the influence of local geological variations on gravity measurements, and the need for precise definitions and calculations that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Hello, I noticed while trying to calculate the stardart gravity acceleration of the Earth that I never arrived at the defined value of 9.80665 m/s2 no matter that I calculate it with the equatorial radius, the polar radius, mean radius or the average of the equatorial and polar radius. With what terrestrial radius did they arrive to calculate this value of 9.80665 m/s2 and why?
Thank you !
 
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Sphere said:
Hello, I noticed while trying to calculate the stardart gravity acceleration of the Earth that I never arrived at the defined value of 9.80665 m/s2 no matter that I calculate it with the equatorial radius, the polar radius, mean radius or the average of the equatorial and polar radius. With what terrestrial radius did they arrive to calculate this value of 9.80665 m/s2 and why?
Thank you !
Please show your calculations and the numbers you used for the Earth's mass, etc. Without seeing your calculations and numbers, I don't think we can be of much help. Thanks.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
That says it is at a latitude of 45 deg. It accounts for the centrifugal acceleration at that latitude. The radius of the Earth (distance to the center of the Earth) is not what you want to use [EDIT] for the calculation of the centrifugal force. You want to find the perpendicular distance to the axis of rotation of the Earth. The shape of the Earth is complicated (see WGS 84 ellipsoid).

You can find a lot of detail on the calculation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_gravity. It's very complicated and it is no wonder that you are not matching their calculation.

You should be aware that there is some local variation of gravity due to varying densities (and surface altitudes?) that can not be accounted for by simple math models and must be measured locally. There are maps of measured gravity.
 
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FactChecker said:
(and altitudes?)
Yes. A careful experimentalist can measure the difference in ##g## over a few meters altitude using only a pendulum. I made a measurement in undergrad labs that was theoretically precise enough to care about my altitude above sea level.

In practice, either there is a serious mass anomaly underneath one end of my university's physics department or undergrads aren't all careful experimentalists. :wink:
 
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Ibix said:
Yes. A careful experimentalist can measure the difference in ##g## over a few meters altitude using only a pendulum. I made a measurement in undergrad labs that was theoretically precise enough to care about my altitude above sea level.
I know that there are maps of the gravity at locations on the Earth. I have never used them. I assume that they are accurate for the ground altitude at each location, but I do not know that for sure.
 
Sphere said:
With what terrestrial radius did they arrive to calculate this value of 9.80665 m/s2 and why?
Thank you !
Perhaps that's a measured value. That obviates the need for calculation.
 
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In my final undergraduate physics series at university, we measured and compared the acceleration of gravity at sea level using
  1. pendulums,
  2. dropping ferromagnetic material through electromagnetic fields, and
  3. laser interferometer.
 
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FactChecker said:
I know that there are maps of the gravity at locations on the Earth. I have never used them. I assume that they are accurate for the ground altitude at each location, but I do not know that for sure.
"Station" at NBS/NIST, Boulder, Bldg. 2(?), NW corner in the "back" hallway; may still be there and certified current, or not. This was pre-Sumatra, https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-details-earthquake-effects-on-the-earth .
 
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Thanks to everyone !
 
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