The VERY, VERY general equation of an ellipsoid - Who knows it?

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The discussion revolves around the general equation of an ellipsoid, particularly one that can be rotated in any orientation and is not centered at the origin. Participants seek to understand the mathematical representation of such an ellipsoid, including its implicit Cartesian and spherical polar forms, as well as the relationships between various parameters involved.

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  • One participant requests the general equation of an ellipsoid that includes two angles of rotation and is not centered at the origin, expressing dissatisfaction with the standard form for an ellipse.
  • Another participant provides a polynomial representation of an ellipsoid, hyperboloid, or paraboloid, indicating that it is a degree 2 polynomial in variables x, y, z, and mentions inequalities on coefficients that determine the type.
  • A follow-up inquiry asks for the specific inequalities for an ellipsoid and the relationships between the coefficients of the polynomial and the parameters defining the ellipsoid's center and radii.
  • A participant introduces the concept of using rotation matrices to express the equation of an ellipse in a general orientation, providing a matrix equation format and discussing the properties of the matrix involved.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for clarification on matrix geometry, specifically regarding the transpose notation, the form of rotation matrices, and the characteristics of symmetric matrices.
  • A later reply clarifies that the notation "^T" refers to the transpose of a matrix and suggests searching online for more information on rotation matrices and symmetric matrices.

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The discussion includes multiple competing views and remains unresolved regarding the specific form of the general equation of an ellipsoid and the associated parameters. Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek further clarification on mathematical concepts.

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Participants express uncertainty about the inequalities that define an ellipsoid and the relationships between the coefficients and geometric parameters. There is also a lack of consensus on the understanding of matrix representations and their applications in this context.

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I have been asking/looking around for the general equation of an ellipsoid and I am unable to find it anywhere.

Does anyone know what it is?

BTW: What I mean by the general equation of an ellipsoid, one that can be rotated in any way, that is 2 angles of rotation and one that does not have to be centered at the origin. - I know the one for a general ellipse moved from the center. So I don't want this!
\frac{(x-x_c)^2}{a^2} + \frac{(y-y_c)^2}{b^2} + \frac{(z-z_c)^2}{c^2} = 1

If possible could it be in Implicit Cartesian or Spherical Polars form?

Thanks for any help
 
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A polynomial of degree 2 in variables x,y,z is ellipsoid or hyperboloid or paraboloid.

ax^2+by^2+cz^2+dxy+eyz+fzx+gx+hy+iz+j=0

There are some inequalities on the coefficients that determine which of the three types it is.
 
Wow dude thanks for the help!

However, I was wondering if you would not happen to know the inequalities for an ellipsoid? Also, if possible you would not happen to have the equations relating your constants:

a, b, c, d, f, g, h, i, j to the:

xc: center of ellipse in the x-direction
yc: center of ellipse in the y-direction
zc: center of ellipse in the z-direction

xr: equatorial radius in the x-direction
yr: equatorial radius in the y-direction
zr: polar radius in the z-direction

\gamma: the angle of rotation in the xy plane (starting from the positive x-axis, where 0 \leq \gamma < 2\pi)
\eta: the angle of rotation from the positive z-axis (0 \leq \eta \leq \pi)

Though these last two could be expressed as the components of vectors in the x, y, z direction.

At any rate thanks a lot for the equation! You have helped a lot! The stuff above is not such a big deal: though if you happened to have it on hand it would really useful!
 
Do you know how to use rotation matrices? The equation of an ellipse can be written as a matrix equation:

(\mathbf{x - c})^T \mathbf{A} (\mathbf{x - c}) = 1

where x is a column vector (x, y, z), c is a column vector representing the center of the ellipse (xc, yc, zc), and A is a square, symmetric matrix. In your equation in the OP, your matrix A is diagonal, with entries (1/a^2, 1/b^2, 1/c^2).

Now, to rotate your equation to an ellipse in a general orientation, you just need to apply a rotation matrix R as follows:

(\mathbf{x - c})^T \mathbf{R}^T \mathbf{A} \mathbf{R} (\mathbf{x - c}) = 1

For an ellipse, the matrix A is always positive definite. For a hyperboloid, it may have signature (1, -1, -1) or (-1, 1, 1).
 
Thanks!
The matrix form would actually be really cool to use; but I am ignorant of using matrix geometry. If someone could provide explanations and examples of the following, I might be able to understand what to do:

(\mathbf{x - c})^T \mathbf{R}^T \mathbf{A} \mathbf{R} (\mathbf{x - c}) = 1

What does the ^T mean in the (\mathbf{x - c})^T - inverted matrix?
What does a rotation matrix,\mathbf{R}, look like - say I wanted to rotate it \theta degrees in the xy-plane and \phi from the z-axis, what would it look like?
Finally what is a square, symmetric matrix, \mathbf{A}, what does it do?

Thanks once again to anyone who helps out!
 
T means Transpose. For rotation matrices and symmetric matrices, try typing those phrases into Google.
 
Thanks dude!
 

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