The Weierstrass function's' odd qualities

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The discussion revolves around the Weierstrass function, particularly its properties of being continuous everywhere yet non-differentiable everywhere. Participants explore the implications of different definitions of continuity, such as Hölder continuity versus Lipschitz continuity, and the intuition surrounding these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Weierstrass function is continuous everywhere but non-differentiable everywhere, which challenges traditional intuitions about continuity and differentiability.
  • There is a question about whether the dichotomy between continuity and differentiability is due to the use of Hölder continuity instead of Lipschitz continuity, with some suggesting that this distinction validates their intuition regarding Lipschitz continuity.
  • One participant mentions that the Weierstrass function is Hölder continuous for every ##0<\alpha<1## but not Lipschitz continuous, indicating a difference in the strictness of these definitions.
  • Another participant references Rademacher's theorem, which states that every Lipschitz continuous function is differentiable almost everywhere, contrasting with the Weierstrass function's properties.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of constructing a function that is "only kinks," suggesting that achieving non-differentiability everywhere is more complex than it might appear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of continuity definitions, with no consensus reached on the relationship between the Weierstrass function's properties and the definitions of continuity discussed.

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Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific definitions of continuity and the unresolved nature of the mathematical implications surrounding the Weierstrass function's differentiability.

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I recently stumbled on the Weierstrass function, whose main claim to fame (as I understand it) is to be continuous everywhere, but non-differentiable everywhere as well. Apparently I was in good company with Gauss' and others who assumed that to be impossible!

I guess I'm asking, is this dichotomy mostly down to the loosened definition of continuity, i.e. Hölder continuous instead of Lipschitz continuous? Not that I dispute the validity or use of the former definition, but it certainly would mean that my intuition was correct in the stricter Lipschitz sense.
 
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rumborak said:
I recently stumbled on the Weierstrass function, whose main claim to fame (as I understand it) is to be continuous everywhere, but non-differentiable everywhere as well. Apparently I was in good company with Gauss' and others who assumed that to be impossible!

I guess I'm asking, is this dichotomy mostly down to the loosened definition of continuity, i.e. Hölder continuous instead of Lipschitz continuous? Not that I dispute the validity or use of the former definition, but it certainly would mean that my intuition was correct in the stricter Lipschitz sense.
No, it is continuous in the true sense of the term. But what is d(abs(x))/dx when x=0? The problem with the Weierstrass function is that it has that problem for all x.
 
According to this discussion, it is Hölder continuous for every ##0<\alpha<1##, but not Lipschitz continuous (which would be ##\alpha=1##).
These are stricter criteria than the regular continuity, however. The function is continuous.
 
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No, it is continuous in the true sense of the term. But what is d(abs(x))/dx when x=0? The problem with the Weierstrass function is that it has that problem for all x.

Oooh, that is an excellent explanation, thanks a lot. It's been a long time since college math, I had forgotten that a "kink" in a graph is non-differentiable. From there it's not too hard to construct an "only kinks" function.
 
rumborak said:
I guess I'm asking, is this dichotomy mostly down to the loosened definition of continuity, i.e. Hölder continuous instead of Lipschitz continuous? Not that I dispute the validity or use of the former definition, but it certainly would mean that my intuition was correct in the stricter Lipschitz sense.
Yes, indeed. Even more: By Rademacher's theorem, every Lipschitz continuous function is differentiable almost everywhere, which in a sense is the opposite of being nowhere differentiable.
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From there it's not too hard to construct an "only kinks" function.
It is more difficult than it seems, since the "kinks" have to be everywhere.

In addition to the references given in the link in the post by @mfb , there is also a pair of "Insights" written about it, but they seem to be missing a third part and I have not read them myself. Maybe @jbunniii would like to comment.
 
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