The word "won't" does not look logically formed

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The discussion revolves around the contraction "won't," exploring its formation, etymology, and pronunciation. Participants express curiosity about why "won't" does not seem logically formed compared to other contractions, and they delve into historical and linguistic perspectives on its usage.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the logical formation of "won't" as a contraction of "will not," suggesting alternatives like "willn't" or "win't" might be more intuitive.
  • Others propose that "won't" may be a holdover from Old English, influenced by playwrights and early writers who used it in their works.
  • A participant mentions that "won't" could be seen as shorthand for "will ought not to," reflecting a more polite refusal in historical contexts.
  • There are references to the adaptation of "won't" from "don't," suggesting a pattern in English contractions.
  • Some participants highlight the complexities of English spelling and pronunciation, comparing it to other languages and noting inconsistencies.
  • Discussions also touch on the use of apostrophes in historical poetry and the preservation of syllable singularity in word formation.
  • Several participants share humorous observations about English spelling and pronunciation challenges, including comparisons to French and other languages.

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Participants express a range of views on the formation and logic of "won't," with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on its historical roots, while others challenge the logic behind its spelling and pronunciation.

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Limitations include the lack of definitive sources on the etymology of "won't" and the varying interpretations of its formation and usage across different contexts.

  • #31
phinds said:
It ain't. Get over it.
Where did ain't come from.
Used to mean "are not", but now you get the ruler for using it.
Well , maybe not now, but at one time, when teachers had the powre pohwa.

EDIT: changed power to a Boston accent.
 
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  • #32
256bits said:
Where did ain't come from.
Used to mean "are not", but now you get the ruler for using it.
Well , maybe not now, but at one time, when teachers had the powre.
The Wikipedia Ain't article covers this well enough -- It contains a reference to 'rhoticity' -- 'whether' or 'whethə' the 'r' is pronounced or not, when it immediately follows, but does not immediately precede, another vowel -- fascinating fodder for amateur philologists.
 
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  • #33
256bits said:
Used to mean "are not", but now you get the ruler for using it.
Originally "ain't" was a contraction of "am not" per the Wiki article that @sysprog referred to. More recently it has become a contraction for am not, is not, and are not.

As a side note, I was watching an Irish series called "Blood" and one character said "I amn't," something I'd never heard before.
 
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  • #34
Syntactic quirks from the language that brought you sentences like
'James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher'
 
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  • #36
DaveC426913 said:
Heh. I like that. I'm going to start writing all my correspondence using British/Canadian spellings for lable, decible, reble and lible.
Once, while working in the U.S., I comment to a colleague that for some words, Canadians commonly use British spelling, while for other words, Canadians commonly use American spelling. Former, "colour"; latter, "tire". My colleague then asked "Do Canadians spell 'civilization' with an ess or a zee?" I replied "Canadians spell 'civilization' with a zed."
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
There's a story told about a sign painter who was hired to paint a sign for the front of a bakery. The sign was to read "Pies and Cakes."
After working on the layout awhile, the painter asked the baker, "How much space should I leave between Pies and and and and and Cakes?"
 
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I hope the baker gave the answer in pie-cas.
 
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  • #39
Very interesting. I had wondered about this too. Just figured it was something we borrowed but really had no idea other than that.
 

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