Theorem on Division by a Prime

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The discussion revolves around the Theorem on Division by a Prime, specifically Euclid's Lemma, which states that if a prime number p divides the product of two integers x and y, then p must divide at least one of those integers. Participants are exploring the proof of this theorem using complete induction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the proof structure involving complete induction and question the necessity of induction versus direct proof methods. There are inquiries about specific steps in the proof, particularly regarding the implications of certain equations and the conditions under which p divides specific terms.

Discussion Status

Some participants are actively questioning the proof's steps and the reasoning behind using induction. There is a recognition of the potential for confusion regarding the division of terms in the proof, and one participant has indicated they resolved their confusion independently.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the proof being used as an example in a proofs class, which may influence the approach taken by the original poster. Additionally, the discussion touches on the generalized form of Euclid's Lemma, suggesting a broader context for the theorem being examined.

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Homework Statement


I am working my way through the Theorem on Division by a Prime. "Let p be a prime number.Then for all integers x and y, if p divides xy, then p divides x or p divides y.

The proof is being done by complete induction.
Proof. Let x be a whole number p a prime numberk and y be an integer. Then let P(x) be the sentence "If p divides xy, then p divides x or p divides y.

Base Case: P(0) says if p divides (0*y) then p divides 0 or p divides y. This is true since anything divides 0.

Inductive Step: Assume P(0),...,P(x) are all true. We wish to show that P(x+1) is also true. Now x+1<p or x+1>=p.

Case 1: Assume x+1<p. So by the division lemma, p=q(x+1)+r for some integer q and r in {0,1,...,x}. Now multiply by y such that py=q(x+1)y+ry. Then ry=py-q(x+1)y. Thus p divides ry. Now r satisfies the induction hypothesis so P(r) is true. Thus p divides r or p divides y. If p divides r then since 0<=r<x+1<p we know that r=0. So p=q(x+1). Since p is prime then q=1 or x+1=1. But q does not = 1 since p>x+1. Thus x+1=1 and so (x+1)y=y and so since p divides (x+1)y, p must divide y. So P(x+1) is true.

Case 2: Assume x+1>=p. By the division lemma, x+1=qp+r for some integer q and r in {0,1,...,p-1}. Since p<=x+1, then p-1<=x so r in {0,1,...,x}. Now multiply by y such that (x+1)y=qpy+ry so ry=(x+1)y-qpy. Thus p divides ry. By the inductive hypothesis p must divide r or p must divide y. If p divides r then since x+1=qp+r, we must have p divides x+1. So P(x+1) is true.

Conclusion: Therefore, by complete mathematical induction, P(x) is true for all whole numbers x so it is true for all integers x.

Homework Equations


The part that I don't understand is py=q(x+1)y+ry so ry=py-q(x+1)y, so p divides ry.

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't understand how we can say that p divides ry. I know that if p divides a number say x, then there exists an integer k such that x=pk so we can say y is that integer but here we also have the extra term q(x+1)y. Doesn't that interfere with the division of p?
 
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This is called Euclid's Lemma.

Why would you use induction? You can do this directly.
 
Dustinsfl said:
This is called Euclid's Lemma.

Why would you use induction? You can do this directly.

Hmm.. Thanks for the post. I will definitely look that up and try to learn it to surprise my professor if he by any chance puts it on a test but the reason why I am using complete induction for this is because it is being used as an example in my proofs class to teach us how to use complete induction.
 
DeadOriginal said:
Hmm.. Thanks for the post. I will definitely look that up and try to learn it to surprise my professor if he by any chance puts it on a test but the reason why I am using complete induction for this is because it is being used as an example in my proofs class to teach us how to use complete induction.

If you are using induction, are you sure you aren't trying to prove the generalized Euclid's Lemma?

##p|a_1a_2\cdots a_n## Then ##p|a_i##.

This is a case to use induction on it.
 
Dustinsfl said:
If you are using induction, are you sure you aren't trying to prove the generalized Euclid's Lemma?

##p|a_1a_2\cdots a_n## Then ##p|a_i##.

This is a case to use induction on it.

I included the proof above.

I can't seem to follow why we can say that p divides ry. Wouldn't we need to know that p also divides (x+1)y before we can say that p divides ry?
 
Never mind. I figured it out.
 
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