Theoretical Application For Acceleration In Space

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The discussion revolves around a theoretical application for achieving acceleration in space using a network of spacecraft and an elastic net. Participants explore the feasibility and implications of this idea, including its potential uses for space probes and asteroid deflection, as well as the underlying physics involved.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method involving multiple spacecraft connected by a flexible net to create acceleration for objects in space.
  • Another participant questions the efficiency of this method compared to traditional engines, highlighting the need for the net to exert force on the material for an elastic effect.
  • A comparison is made to a baseball hitting a trampoline, suggesting that the lack of air in space could enhance the efficiency of the proposed mechanism.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of the idea, citing potential violations of physical laws such as conservation of momentum and the second law of thermodynamics.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding and asks if the idea of changing an asteroid's path violates any physical laws.
  • Another participant argues that while the concept does not violate physical laws, it is impractical and suggests using rockets directly to move asteroids instead.
  • Additional ideas are proposed, such as using the net to extract asteroids from the asteroid belt for analysis or mining purposes.
  • Another participant suggests that a net could be useful for 'herding' small asteroids, comparing it to asteroid mining techniques in video games.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with some supporting the originality of the idea while others highlight significant physical and practical challenges. There is no consensus on the feasibility or efficiency of the proposed method, and multiple competing views remain regarding its application and practicality.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the assumptions of the proposed mechanism, including the nature of the elastic net and the physical laws governing momentum and energy conservation. The discussion remains open to further exploration of these ideas.

Cosmicon
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I have just came up with the following idea which can, with the proper equipment and technology, be applied in space in order to produce immense acceleration for a specific body/bodies:

STEP 1:
Number of engined spacecraft s will be placed in one dimension, in equal distances from one to another (for instance: 6 or 8 spacecraft s, creating hexagon or octagon), heading toward the same direction in parallel lanes and at the same velocity.

STEP 2:

The spacecraft s will be connected with a flat net or a consecutive material which will be considerably very resistable, yet extremely flexible. The thickness and surface should be optimized to best fit the required goal, which will be as follows.

STEP 3:
This application can be used for two situations I have came up with:
(1) A probe/ spacecraft /any other optional device sent to space for a particular purpose will be flying directly in the opposite direction of the spread net and the spacecraft s. The body will then hit the net, forcefully enough to create a tremendous elastic force which will, eventually, cause the object to fly in reverse (the same direction as of the net-carriers) and continue its travel with great speed.
(2) same course of events can also be applied to prevent an astroid hitting the surface of the Earth - changing its path, by stretching the net in space in the right angle by maneuvering the spacecraft s.

Of course this can be modified, but the idea is very simple actually.
Any comments regarding this are accepted, including corrections, suggestions, modifications et cetera.
 
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How is this more efficient than using engines alone? For one thing, those net carriers would also need to pull on that magical material, in order to obtain some elastic effect.

Also, shouldn't this be in engineering?
 
evanghellidis said:
How is this more efficient than using engines alone? For one thing, those net carriers would also need to pull on that magical material, in order to obtain some elastic effect.

Also, shouldn't this be in engineering?

Imagine a baseball being thrown very hard on a vertical trampoline. Now with the lack of air which causes friction in space, this impact should accelerate the object very efficiently in terms of time, energy and costs.

As for the engineering issue: well, I assume that is correct, though I think it could also be discussed in the field of astrophysics when taking in count the given environment in outer space and the similarity this notion has with gravitanional pull of celestial objects in the universe.

More comments, make this discussion fertile people.
 
In order for your idea to be effecient (I will not even discuss its practicality) you have to violate three of the most important physical laws:

1. if the net is elastic, therefore a displacement will occur at the impact and energy will be consumed and lost in the diplacement, otherwise it will have to violate the conservation of momentum

2.even if the net was a solid wall that no displacement will occur, a perfect collision can never occur, otherwise it will have to violate the kinetic theory of gases

3. even if we assume a perfect collision were no energy will be lost (consumed) at this case the object will reflect at exactly the same energy that it has before the collision and there will be no benefit from the whole mechanism, otherwise it will have to violate the second law of thermodynamics
 
I guess you get points for originality as I've never heard of anything like this before. Unfortunately for you, HossamCFD's post outlines why.
 
I understand my fatal mistake here. Thank you for the extended clarification, I appreciate it.

What about the second use i mentioned - changing the path of an object which makes its way towards earth? Does that scenario violates any physical laws in pratice?
 
Cosmicon said:
Does that scenario violates any physical laws in pratice?

It doesn't violate any laws of physics, it's just completely impractical. The material aspect aside, if you're throwing up a bunch of rockets anyways, why not use them to directly attach to and move the asteroid? The material aspect not aside, you're talking about changing the momentum of an object with the mass of a mountain moving at 10km/s.
 
Cosmicon, don't be dissapointed by these ideas. I also had my share of ideas violating every physics law that we know. that's because I come from an engineering background not physics (I would guess you do too). just remember that you can never create energy, you can only transform it from one form to the other.
 
Okay, one more utilization I would like to porpose in this discussion:
The net setup could be used to extract asteroids from the astroid belt in our solar system, and carry them to Earth (for a more punctilious analysis of them, and perhaps quarrying the minerals within) Of course it depends on the mass and velocity of the objects being carried, but even large ones can be enclosed in carriers and penetrate Earth's atmosphere with no harm.

Or maybe attached rockets are more efficient in this case as well?
 
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A net in space would definitely be useful for 'herding' very small asteroids. For instance, instead of drilling a big asteroid for mining purposes, you could blow it up and pick up the smaller pieces with that net, taking them to a nearby station for processing. Kind of like asteroid mining went down in the X games.
 
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evanghellidis said:
A net in space would definitely be useful for 'herding' very small asteroids. For instance, instead of drilling a big asteroid for mining purposes, you could blow it up and pick up the smaller pieces with that net, taking them to a nearby station for processing. Kind of like asteroid mining went down in the X games.

Yes that's my point. "Astroid fishing", you may call it. And it will most definitely be a nutritious catch, scientifically and in terms of civilization progress.
 

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