Therefore, the focal length of the mirror is -1m.

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The discussion revolves around determining the focal length of a mirror given the height of an object and the characteristics of the image formed. The problem involves concepts from optics, specifically related to mirrors and image formation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationships between object distance, image distance, and magnification. They attempt to apply the mirror formula and magnification equations, questioning the signs associated with virtual images.

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Multiple participants are engaged in deriving the focal length, with some suggesting that the image is virtual and thus affects the sign conventions used. There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to the calculations, with no clear consensus on the correct focal length yet.

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Participants note that the image is virtual and upright, which influences the calculations and assumptions about distances. There is mention of discrepancies between calculated values and textbook answers, indicating potential misunderstandings of the problem setup.

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[SOLVED] Focal length of a mirror

Homework Statement


A 2.0-cm-tall object is placed in front of a mirror. A 1.0-cm-tall upright image is formed behind the mirror, 150 cm from the object.

What is the focal length of the mirror?


Homework Equations


1/f=1/s+1/s'
m=h'/h
m=-s'/s


The Attempt at a Solution


.5=-s'/s
s+s' = 1.5m

Combining those 2 equations, I get:
s'=3
s=-1.5

1/f=(1/-1.5)+(1/3)
f=3m

When I calculate it the focal length, f, it comes out to 3m, which is obviously way too big.
 
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If image is virtual, magnification is also negative.
So -m = -s'/s
Now try to solve the problem.
 
rl.bhat said:
If image is virtual, magnification is also negative.
So -m = -s'/s
Now try to solve the problem.

Setting m negative gave me the same answer
-.5=s'/s
s=s'/-.5
s+s'=1.5
s'/.5+s'=1.5
-(1/2)s'+s'=1.5
s'/2=1.5
s'=3

According to my book, s' should be negative, though, because we have a virtual image on the opposite side of the object.

Continuing anyways...
s=1.5-s'
=-1.5

1/f=(1/-1.5)+(1/3)=-.3
f=-3m

Still not correct.
 
-0.5 = - s'/s
Or 0.5 = s'/s
 
rl.bhat said:
-0.5 = - s'/s
Or 0.5 = s'/s

-.5=-s'/s
s=-s'/-.5

s+s'=1.5

-s'/-.5 + s' = 1.5
(1/2)s' + s' = 1.5
(3/2)s'=1.5
s'=1

s+s'=1.5
s=1.5-s'
s=.5

1/f=(1/.5)+(1/1)=3
f=1/3=.33m

Which is still wrong.
 
Image is virtual.
so 1/f = 1/s - 1/s'
 
Solved:

m=-s'/s=1/2
-s'=s/2
|s'|=s/2

|s|+|s'|=1.5
|s|+|s/2|=1.5
3/2s=1.5
s=1

|s|+|s'|=1.5
|s'|=1.5-|s|
s'=1.5-1
s'=.5
but since s' is negative for virtual, upright images
s'=-.5

1/f=(1/1)+(1/-.5)=-1
f=-1m
 

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