There’s far more scientific fraud than anyone wants to admit

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The discussion centers around the prevalence of scientific fraud and misconduct within academia, particularly in the context of its implications for real-world outcomes, such as in medical research. Participants explore various aspects of this issue, including the nature of academic integrity, the role of journals in addressing fraud, and the potential for certain fields, like theoretical mathematics and physics, to be less susceptible to fraudulent claims.

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  • Some participants express concern over the impact of academic fraud on real-world outcomes, citing specific cases like that of Joachim Boldt, whose fraudulent research had serious consequences in medical practice.
  • There is speculation about whether certain fields, such as theoretical mathematics, could be less prone to fraud due to the nature of proofs and internal logic, although doubts are raised about the possibility of unrecognized claims by highly advanced mathematicians.
  • One participant highlights the importance of journals retracting flawed papers and the progress towards transparency in research, suggesting that this should be viewed positively rather than as a distressing issue.
  • Concerns are raised about the media's representation of scientific findings, with references to potential biases in reporting and the implications for public understanding of scientific integrity.
  • Participants discuss specific instances of alleged misconduct, including a Harvard Business School scholar and a physicist involved in superconductor research, noting the complexities surrounding accusations and the consequences of such claims.
  • There is a mention of the cultural differences between fields like biology and physics, with implications for how research is conducted and reviewed.

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The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the issue of scientific fraud, with no clear consensus reached. Participants express differing views on the implications of fraud, the effectiveness of current measures to combat it, and the reliability of media reporting on scientific matters.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations of current discussions, including the potential for biases in media representation and the varying standards of peer review across disciplines. There is also an awareness of the complexities involved in validating advanced research claims.

  • #31
Vanadium 50 said:
But Science!
It's about the divergence of the language describing 'science' and 'common sense'
Lawyers also facing the same issue (with legalese on table it's even more extreme).
But you can trace it back to some other 'closed circle' professions too: postal services, railways and such. (All strange people o0) :wink: )

The same divergence can be identified on the forum too. Professional answers often has no decipherable meaning to simple questions: they are using different language.

So we need translations.
But professional translation is a profession.
 
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  • #32
"Just about everyone who works at the post office is an alien."
-- Agent J, Men In Black II
 
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  • #33
Rive said:
The same divergence can be identified on the forum too. Professional answers often has no decipherable meaning to simple questions: they are using different language.
Yes, they use the precise language of science, not the often vague language of common English.
 
  • #34
phinds said:
I think so called scientific results are all have biased and subjective to a different degree. I question how many people actually research into something without any preconceived idea or looking for a specific result.

I published paper in America institute of Physics review of scientific instruments. I really give a conclusion, then show what I did to get the result. People look and approved and published them.

Particular in some issue that involve long period of observation, one can pick and choose data to support or disprove result one way or the other.

Hate to get political. Just look at Climate Change. How much history we have recorded. People likely set out with a preconceived idea, then look for data the favor to their believe and published it.

I am pretty sure if people that truly do not believe Climate Change, AND HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THEM TO DIG INTO IT. They likely able to find "scientific" result to disprove Climate Change. Just a lot of research are done by Universities and you know how that goes already,

JMHO
 
  • #35
The Francesca Gino / Harvard Case : End of a Sordid Saga?

 
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  • #38
Gino still has a lawsuit in the works against Harvard, alleging breach of contract and discrimination. While I don't want to defend what she did, Harvard seems to have come down harder on her than on ex-President Gay.
 
  • #39
phinds said:
Paywall, so useless
Looks like you get a certain number of free articles - it says this is my last. My favorite quote from the article:
But, as it was, there appeared little to be learned aside from the fact that even once you take away someone’s shovel they will look down at their hole and use their bare hands to keep digging.
 
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The New Yorker article mixes a heavy dose of snark in for sure.
 

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