Thermal Equilibrium With Insulated Liquid And Gas Containers

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The discussion focuses on determining the final gas pressure in a thermal equilibrium scenario involving a beaker of water and a monatomic gas container. The initial conditions include 20g of water at 20°C and a gas at 10 atm pressure. The heat exchange is analyzed using the equations Q=mc(delta T) and pV=nRT. The final temperatures of both substances must be equal, leading to the equation .02 kg x 4190 J/kgC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x .4 mol x 3 cal/moleC to find the equilibrium point.

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  • Understanding of the ideal gas law (pV=nRT)
  • Knowledge of heat transfer principles (Q=mc(delta T))
  • Familiarity with specific heat capacities (1 cal/(gm C) for water, 3R/2 for monatomic gas)
  • Basic algebra for solving equations involving temperature and pressure
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Homework Statement


A beaker with a metal bottom is filled with 20g of water at 20∘C. It is brought into good thermal contact with a 4000 cm^3 container holding 0.40mol of a monatomic gas at 10atm pressure. Both containers are well insulated from their surroundings.

What is the gas pressure after a long time has elapsed? You can assume that the containers themselves are nearly massless and do not affect the outcome.

knight_Figure_17_48.jpg


Homework Equations


Q=mc(delta T)
P=kA(delta T/distance between objects)
pV=nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


I used the ideal gas law to find the initial temp of the gas to be 1219.013 K or 945.863 degrees Celsius. From there, I do not know how to equate the substances in the two containers to determine an equilibrium point and find the final pressure or if this is even the right approach. I would greatly appreciate any help.
 
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mchahal22 said:

Homework Statement


A beaker with a metal bottom is filled with 20g of water at 20∘C. It is brought into good thermal contact with a 4000 cm^3 container holding 0.40mol of a monatomic gas at 10atm pressure. Both containers are well insulated from their surroundings.

What is the gas pressure after a long time has elapsed? You can assume that the containers themselves are nearly massless and do not affect the outcome.

knight_Figure_17_48.jpg


Homework Equations


Q=mc(delta T)
P=kA(delta T/distance between objects)
pV=nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


I used the ideal gas law to find the initial temp of the gas to be 1219.013 K or 945.863 degrees Celsius. From there, I do not know how to equate the substances in the two containers to determine an equilibrium point and find the final pressure or if this is even the right approach. I would greatly appreciate any help.
The heat capacity of the water is 1 cal/(gm C) and the molar heat capacity of the gas is 3R/2 = 3 cal/(mole C). The amount of heat gained by the water is equal to the amount of heat lost by the gas. Their final temperatures are the same.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
The heat capacity of the water is 1 cal/(gm C) and the molar heat capacity of the gas is 3R/2 = 3 cal/(mole C). The amount of heat gained by the water is equal to the amount of heat lost by the gas. Their final temperatures are the same.

Chet

So I set the two amounts of heat equal to each other:

mc deltaT (water) = mc delta T (gas)

.02 kg x 4190 J/kgC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x m x c

I'm not really getting what m and c would be for the right side of the equation.

m x c = .4 mol x (3x4190) J/moleC ? Is that the correct conversion?
 
mchahal22 said:
So I set the two amounts of heat equal to each other:

mc deltaT (water) = mc delta T (gas)

.02 kg x 4190 J/kgC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x m x c

I'm not really getting what m and c would be for the right side of the equation.

m x c = .4 mol x (3x4190) J/moleC ? Is that the correct conversion?
Yes. But it would have been easier if you stuck to calories.

20 gm x 1 cal/gmC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x .4 mol x 3 cal/moleC
 

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