Thermal Equilibrium With Insulated Liquid And Gas Containers

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The problem involves a beaker containing water and a gas in insulated containers, examining thermal equilibrium between the two substances. The subject area includes thermodynamics, specifically heat transfer and the ideal gas law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the ideal gas law to find initial conditions and equate heat transfer between the water and gas. There are questions about how to set up the equations for heat exchange and the correct parameters for the gas.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on equating heat gained and lost, while others are exploring the specifics of the heat capacities involved. There is an ongoing examination of the correct approach to find the final temperature and pressure.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the containers are massless and insulated, which may affect the interpretation of heat transfer. There is also a mention of potential confusion regarding the units of heat capacity and conversions between calories and joules.

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Homework Statement


A beaker with a metal bottom is filled with 20g of water at 20∘C. It is brought into good thermal contact with a 4000 cm^3 container holding 0.40mol of a monatomic gas at 10atm pressure. Both containers are well insulated from their surroundings.

What is the gas pressure after a long time has elapsed? You can assume that the containers themselves are nearly massless and do not affect the outcome.

knight_Figure_17_48.jpg


Homework Equations


Q=mc(delta T)
P=kA(delta T/distance between objects)
pV=nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


I used the ideal gas law to find the initial temp of the gas to be 1219.013 K or 945.863 degrees Celsius. From there, I do not know how to equate the substances in the two containers to determine an equilibrium point and find the final pressure or if this is even the right approach. I would greatly appreciate any help.
 
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mchahal22 said:

Homework Statement


A beaker with a metal bottom is filled with 20g of water at 20∘C. It is brought into good thermal contact with a 4000 cm^3 container holding 0.40mol of a monatomic gas at 10atm pressure. Both containers are well insulated from their surroundings.

What is the gas pressure after a long time has elapsed? You can assume that the containers themselves are nearly massless and do not affect the outcome.

knight_Figure_17_48.jpg


Homework Equations


Q=mc(delta T)
P=kA(delta T/distance between objects)
pV=nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


I used the ideal gas law to find the initial temp of the gas to be 1219.013 K or 945.863 degrees Celsius. From there, I do not know how to equate the substances in the two containers to determine an equilibrium point and find the final pressure or if this is even the right approach. I would greatly appreciate any help.
The heat capacity of the water is 1 cal/(gm C) and the molar heat capacity of the gas is 3R/2 = 3 cal/(mole C). The amount of heat gained by the water is equal to the amount of heat lost by the gas. Their final temperatures are the same.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
The heat capacity of the water is 1 cal/(gm C) and the molar heat capacity of the gas is 3R/2 = 3 cal/(mole C). The amount of heat gained by the water is equal to the amount of heat lost by the gas. Their final temperatures are the same.

Chet

So I set the two amounts of heat equal to each other:

mc deltaT (water) = mc delta T (gas)

.02 kg x 4190 J/kgC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x m x c

I'm not really getting what m and c would be for the right side of the equation.

m x c = .4 mol x (3x4190) J/moleC ? Is that the correct conversion?
 
mchahal22 said:
So I set the two amounts of heat equal to each other:

mc deltaT (water) = mc delta T (gas)

.02 kg x 4190 J/kgC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x m x c

I'm not really getting what m and c would be for the right side of the equation.

m x c = .4 mol x (3x4190) J/moleC ? Is that the correct conversion?
Yes. But it would have been easier if you stuck to calories.

20 gm x 1 cal/gmC x (T-20) = - (T-945.863) x .4 mol x 3 cal/moleC
 

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