Thermal Properties of Solids and Gases Problem

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The discussion revolves around a thermal properties problem involving heat transfer between a hot iron horseshoe and water. The original poster presents a calculation to find the equilibrium temperature of the system after the horseshoe is dropped into the water.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the heat transfer equation and the importance of sign conventions in the context of energy conservation. Questions arise regarding the correct application of temperature changes and the implications of including negative signs in calculations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical setup, with participants providing guidance on the correct application of signs in the heat transfer equation. Some participants express confidence in the original poster's approach while emphasizing the need for careful consideration of temperature changes.

Contextual Notes

One participant raises a separate question about the thermal expansion of a heated ring, indicating a potential shift in focus from the original problem. This introduces a new topic related to thermal properties that may require further exploration.

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At a local county fair, you watch as blacksmith drops a 0.050-kg iron horseshoe into a bucket containing 25.0 kg of water. If the initial temperature of the horseshoe is 450°C, and the initial temperature of the water is 23°C, what is the equilibrium temperature of the system?


Here is how i am doing it (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG)

mcΔT= mcΔT
(.050 kg)(448 J/kg(°C) )(Tf-450°C) = (25.0 kg)(4186 J/kg(°C) )(Tf-23°C)
 
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It seems perfectly fine to me so far, up to a negative sign, at least.

You should make sure you understand what physics is happening. The heat (Q) flowing out of the iron goes into the water. They have opposite directions (one loses energy in the heat transfer, while the other gains it), so there should be a difference in sign:

QFe = -QH2O

mFecFeΔTFe = -mH2OcH2OΔTH2O

That's the physics. The rest is all computation.

EDIT: you can see that you need the negative sign there just for arithmetic purposes, since the temperature change of the iron is negative, while the temperature change of the water is positive.
 
So if I include the negative sign everything else will be correct?
 
Your approach is okay, but watch out for the signs of the ΔT's. The order of the temperatures, Tf - x versus x - Tf, matters if you want to compare positive values. Do you expect your final temperature to be higher than 450C?
 
Silverbolt said:
So if I include the negative sign everything else will be correct?

Well, I haven't looked to make sure your numbers are correct for the heat capacities, but yes, your method is fine.
 
Thank You!
 
Please help. When a ring heated why it expands only outward? why not inward also making the hole smaller.
Thank you.
 

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