Thermodyn.: ideal gases in 2 two chambers separated by a sliding barrier

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The discussion centers on calculating the ratio of volumes V2/V1 for two ideal gases in separate chambers influenced by a sliding barrier. The upper chamber contains n moles of gas, while the lower chamber contains 3n moles. At initial temperature T0, the forces acting on the barrier are balanced, leading to the equation W = F2 - F1 = A(P2 - P1). The solution involves using the total volume Vtotal = V1 + V2 to express V2 in terms of V1, T1, and T0, allowing for the derivation of the volume ratio.

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Homework Statement


Two different ideal gases are separated by a sliding barrier that can move vertically. The gas in the upper chamber 1 has n moles of material, whilst the gas in the lower chamber 2 has 3n moles of material. At T0 the weight of the barrier is such that the volumes of the two chambers are equal. What is the ratio of V2/V1at T1.

Homework Equations



P = F/A
W = mg
PV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



Equilibrium at T0: F2 = F1 + W
where the Fi are the forces from the i gas on the barrier.

therefore W = F2 - F1 = A(P2 - P1)
[itex]\frac{3AnRT_{0}}{V_{2}} - \frac{AnRT_{0}}{V_{1}} = \frac{2AnRT_{0}}{V_{0}}[/itex], because [itex]V_{0} = V_{1}(T_{0}) = V_{2}(T_{0})[/itex]
further [itex]W = \frac{4AnRT_{0}}{V}[/itex], because [itex]V_{0} = \frac{V}{2}[/itex] where V is the total volume of the two chambers!

Now I want to check equilibrium forces at T1 but using F2 = F1 + W for T1 and substituting for constant weight will not allow me to calculate the ratio V2/V1!
 
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Hi, sunrah.

Can you use the fact that Vtotal = V1 + V2 to eliminate V2, say, from your equation F2=F1+W at T1? Then maybe you can solve for V1 in terms of T1, T0, and Vtotal. Once you have V1 you should be able to get an expression for V2 and then construct the ratio of the final volumes.
 

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