Thermodynamic differental relations problem

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The discussion revolves around expressing differential changes in volume as a function of pressure and temperature in the context of thermodynamics. The original poster attempts to derive the relationship for fractional changes in volume based on the given variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential volume equation and question the correctness of the original poster's approach. There is an exploration of the relationship between volume changes and the coefficients of thermal expansion and isothermal compression.

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Some participants have provided clarifications and corrections regarding the formulation of the equations. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to refine understanding, with no explicit consensus reached on the final expression.

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Participants are working within the constraints of thermodynamic principles and are attempting to clarify the relationships between differentials and fractional changes without resolving the problem completely.

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Homework Statement


Assuming V is a function of P and T such that

V = V(P,T)

express the differential changes in volume due to differential changes in Temperature and pressure, what is the fractional/relative change?


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The Attempt at a Solution


since V is a function of P and T:

dV = \frac{\partial V}{\partial T} dP + \frac{\partial V}{\partial P} dT

so we can say:

\left[\frac{dV}{dP}\right]_T = \frac{\partial V}{\partial T}

and

\left[\frac{dV}{dT}\right]_P = \frac{\partial V}{\partial P}

is this correct or have i read the question wrong, I am not really sure what I'm doing.
 
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I'm not sure what you're doing either. Where does your first equation in the solution come from? Typically one writes

dV=\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_T\,dP+\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P\,dT
 
Ah, i got it the wrong way around then. Makes slightly more sense now.

so we are looking for fractional change, ie. \frac{dV}{V}

so if we say that:

dV=\left(\frac{\partial V}{\patial P}\right)_T dP + \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P dT

then divide by V to get fractional change:

\frac{dV}{V}=\frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\patial P}\right)_T dP + \frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P dT

now i notice that:

\frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P is the coeficcient of thermal expansion \alpha

and
\frac{1}{V}\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_T is negative coeficcient of isothermal compression -\kappa_T

so this can be re-written as:

\frac{dV}{V} = \alpha dP - \kappa_T dT

i think this is right.
 
Nice!
 
Thanks for pointing that out, would have been scratching my head all night otherwise ;)
 

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