Thermodynamic with inelastic collision

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving an inelastic collision where a bullet strikes a wall, resulting in a temperature increase. Participants are tasked with finding the specific heat capacity of the bullet, given that all its energy is converted into heat.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and heat transfer, questioning how to approach the problem without knowing the mass of the bullet. Some suggest using specific values for mass to illustrate the calculations, while others discuss the implications of mass on the outcome.

Discussion Status

Guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between kinetic energy and temperature change, with some participants expressing confidence in a derived formula. There is an ongoing exploration of how mass factors into the calculations, with multiple interpretations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the mass of the bullet is not provided, leading to discussions about its significance in the calculations. There is an emphasis on understanding the underlying principles rather than just obtaining a numerical answer.

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Homework Statement


[/B]A bullet traveling at 100 m/s strikes the wall inelastically. It is observed that the bullet's temperature rises by 10 Kelvin due to the collision. Find the specific heat capacity of the bullet if all of the bullet's energy goes into heat.

Homework Equations


ΔQ=mcΔT
KE=1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve this problem in different ways, but I was not able to do anything without the mass. I know I might be approaching in the wrong way, but I figured if I can determine its kinetic energy lost then I can use that for the heat lost. From there I would figure out the heat capacity of the bullet; that is not feasible though because mass is not given. I just need some guidance on how to approach the problem, I am more than happy to solve it myself after that. Thank you!
 
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physikx said:

Homework Equations


ΔQ=mcΔT
KE=1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve this problem in different ways, but I was not able to do anything without the mass.

How would you solve the problem if you knew that the mass is 0.1 kg?

ehild
 
Would this be right ehild?

KE=1/2mv^2
KE=1/2(.1)(100)^2=500J

ΔQ=500J
m=.1
ΔT=10K

ΔQ=mcΔT
500J=(.1kg)c(10k)
c=500J/Kg*k
 
What happens if m=0.012345 kg? Do not evaluate the KE, just do what you did before.

ehild.
 
ehild said:
What happens if m=0.012345 kg? Do not evaluate the KE, just do what you did before.

I am not sure if I did anything before evaluating the kinetic energy. I am assuming the mass is not a limiting factor, and that energy change is actually indicated by the temperature change of 10 kelvin? Now, I just tried that mass and a couple of others and I still got the same answer. Does mass not matter because 1/2v^2=cΔT. Thank you for your insight!
 
c=v^2/(2ΔT)

I believe this is the answer. If it is, thanks for the indescribable genius -answering my question with knowledge loaded question! I hope I am not getting ahead of myself.
 
physikx said:
Now, I just tried that mass and a couple of others and I still got the same answer. Does mass not matter because 1/2v^2=cΔT. Thank you for your insight!

You see, the mass cancels, as it both sides of the equation is "something multiplied by mass". It happens quite often, so try to solve problems symbolically, as some variables can just cancel. Plug in data and evaluate at the end.


ehild
 
physikx said:
c=v^2/(2ΔT)

I believe this is the answer. If it is, thanks for the indescribable genius -answering my question with knowledge loaded question! I hope I am not getting ahead of myself.

Yes, it is the answer, the general formula which applies for every velocity and temperature change. You are a genius :smile:

ehild
 
Thanks for the guidance. I will definitely always keep that in the back of my mind when I am solving problems. Physics takes a great amount of practice, but it is worth it because it is real knowledge! Thanks again... I am still impressed! :)
 
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physikx said:
Thanks for the guidance. I will definitely always keep that in the back of my mind when I am solving problems. Physics takes a great amount of practice, but it is worth it because it is real knowledge! Thanks again... I am still impressed! :)

You are a good student and I am sure you will be going well with Physics. Yes, you need lot of practice, and practice also helps to discover new things. That is the beauty of both Physics and Maths that you can find out laws by yourself, starting out from some basic axioms, like Newton's Laws or the three axioms of Thermodynamics.

ehild
 
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Thanks again for your inspiring words child, they most definitely resonate in my mind. I hope to get to the level of knowledge in physics that allows me to help other folks on here, your work is truly inspiring. I appreciate your time and knowledge with my regard to the PF team, you guys are the true heroes!
 

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