These embarassing fumes make me sick

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of unpleasant odors in a restroom environment, specifically focusing on the physical reactions experienced by one participant after encountering these fumes. The conversation explores potential causes for the sickness, including psychosomatic responses, allergies, and the nature of the odors themselves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports feeling sick after exposure to unpleasant odors, suggesting a direct correlation between the fumes and their physical symptoms.
  • Another participant proposes that the sickness could be psychosomatic, indicating that emotional reactions to disgusting smells might trigger physical responses.
  • Some participants argue that the odors themselves cannot cause disease, suggesting that reactions may be limited to gag reflexes or other non-disease-related responses.
  • There is a suggestion that the participant might be experiencing an allergic reaction to cleaning products used in the restroom, although this is debated regarding the timing and nature of the symptoms.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of pre-existing conditions, such as acid reflux, exacerbating the reaction to the odors.
  • Another participant references the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, questioning the assumption that the odors are the direct cause of the sickness.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of diseases and their incubation periods, suggesting that sudden onset symptoms are unlikely to be caused by exposure to odors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the cause of the sickness. Some support the idea of psychosomatic responses, while others suggest allergic reactions or challenge the notion that odors can cause illness. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their arguments, including the need for further clarification on the types of odors and potential underlying health conditions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of linking physical symptoms directly to environmental factors.

Newai
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What is this? Once in a long while, I enter the mens room and someone has dropped a serious napalm disaster. Fine in just about every situation, but here I end up getting sick. I know it's coming when my throat starts hurting the way it does. I know I'm going to be really sick tomorrow. How can a specific fume do that? And only to me?
 
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Psychosomatic.
 
could be you're already getting sick.
 
By long while, I mean like two or three years. It's not in my head.
 
Newai said:
By long while, I mean like two or three years. It's not in my head.

the things that smell bad wouldn't give you a disease. gag reflex, maybe. and you've even got taste receptors in your throat, fwiw.

also, diseases tend to have incubation periods, so you shouldn't expect a sudden onset.
 
Could this be some sort of allergic reaction to cleaning and or other products used in toilets?
 
Proton Soup said:
the things that smell bad wouldn't give you a disease. gag reflex, maybe. and you've even got taste receptors in your throat, fwiw.

also, diseases tend to have incubation periods, so you shouldn't expect a sudden onset.

re: bolded: I'd add that the ones which are completely asymptomatic in that period are not uncommon, although a sense of malaise (feeling generally sick) often precedes frank symptoms. The ones that fulminate on the other hand, tend to just explode and kill you, so we can rule that out.

Here's my theory: It's psychosomatic. Now, don't jump up and say it's been 3 years and I'm calling you crazy. You clearly have a strong reaction to these... fumes... which you also describe as "embarrassing". If you smell something which disgusts you emotionally, you WILL have a physical reaction, although usually it's limited to change in pupilary dilation, and other markers.

What else happens when we're confronted with something that makes us feel disgusted in our minds?... usually we have a physical reaction that's fairly brief. One of them is gagging or even throwing up, but what if you don't just throw up on the spot? What if instead, you're a little more upset by this than most, or perhaps you have acid reflux already in a small way. I'm guessing that the "sickness", is the result of increased acid production, which can feel exactly like a stomach ailment, and even impart a sore throat and sinuses if you sleep on it.

I could be completely off, but let me say this: bad odors do not, because they are bad odors, make you ill. True, hydrogen sulfide smells terrible (at first), and its deadly, but so is CO2 and we breath it all of the time. The notion that ill vapors caused illness died along with the dark ages.
 
Dadface said:
Could this be some sort of allergic reaction to cleaning and or other products used in toilets?

Not uncommon, but usually acute and would be occurring when the head was just cleaned, not soiled. Otherwise, good idea, although nausea would be an odd reaction unless it's an organophosphate, and then I'd expect the full SLUDGE.
 

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