Thick spherical shell Question.

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The discussion revolves around a thick spherical shell characterized by an inner radius R and an outer radius S, which has a uniform charge density denoted as d. Participants are tasked with determining the total charge on the shell and expressing the electric field in various regions based on the distance from the center of the sphere.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of total charge using volume and charge density, questioning how to express the answer in terms of the given parameters. There is discussion about the electric field in different regions and the application of Gauss' law.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the expressions for total charge and electric field. Some participants suggest reconsidering the approach to ensure answers align with the specified parameters, while others confirm the correctness of certain statements.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on ensuring that answers are expressed solely in terms of the parameters d, R, S, and π, without introducing the total charge Q in the final expressions. Participants are also navigating the implications of using different variables in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A thick spherical shell with inner radius R and outer radius S has a uniform charge density d.(A) What is the total charge on the shell? Express your answer in terms of R, S, d, and π. (B) Express the electric field as a function of distance from the center of the sphere r, R, S, d, and the permitivity of free space p for each of the following regions: 0<r<R , R<r<S, S<r

Homework Equations


E = kQ/r2

V=(4/3)πr3

The Attempt at a Solution


(For part A)
Since its a thick shell the volume would be V = (4/3)π(S^3 - R^3)

and dV = Qenc => d=Q/V

so

d = 3Q/(4π(S^3 - R^3))

(For part B)
0<r<R
the electric field will be 0 because the electric field can't close on itself

R< r< S
E=kQenc/r2 = (4πkρ(r^3 - R^3))/3r^2

S<r
E = kQ/r2 because the sphere can be treated as a point charge and the electric field is symmetric on a sphere

Is this correct?
 
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twinpair said:

Homework Statement


A thick spherical shell with inner radius R and outer radius S has a uniform charge density d.(A) What is the total charge on the shell? Express your answer in terms of R, S, d, and π. (B) Express the electric field as a function of distance from the center of the sphere r, R, S, d, and the permitivity of free space p for each of the following regions: 0<r<R , R<r<S, S<r


Homework Equations


E = kQ/r2

V=(4/3)πr3


The Attempt at a Solution


(For part A)
Since its a thick shell the volume would be V = (4/3)π(S^3 - R^3)

and dV = Qenc => d=Q/V

so

d = 3Q/(4π(S^3 - R^3))

(For part B)
0<r<R
the electric field will be 0 because the electric field can't close on itself

R< r< S
E=kQenc/r2 = (4πkρ(r^3 - R^3))/3r^2

S<r
E = kQ/r2 because the sphere can be treated as a point charge and the electric field is symmetric on a sphere

Is this correct?

Everything looks good. But note that for part A they want Q. And for the other problems, you must give the answer in terms of ##d , R, S ##
 
So for part A would it be Q = dv --> Q = d * (4/3)π(S^3 - R^3)

And for other problems what does it mean to give the answer in terms of d,R,S
 
twinpair said:
So for part A would it be Q = dv --> Q = d * (4/3)π(S^3 - R^3)

And for other problems what does it mean to give the answer in terms of d,R,S

That's correct.

What it means is that your answer must contain only those parameters (your answer cannot contain Q).
 
twinpair said:
And for the other problems, you must give the answer in terms of d,R,S

what does it mean to give the answer in terms of d,R,S?
 
Hello twinpair,

Welcome to Physics Forums! :smile:

twinpair said:

Homework Statement


A thick spherical shell with inner radius R and outer radius S has a uniform charge density d.(A) What is the total charge on the shell? Express your answer in terms of R, S, d, and π. (B) Express the electric field as a function of distance from the center of the sphere r, R, S, d, and the permitivity of free space p for each of the following regions: 0<r<R , R<r<S, S<r

Homework Equations


E = kQ/r2

V=(4/3)πr3

The Attempt at a Solution


(For part A)
Since its a thick shell the volume would be V = (4/3)π(S^3 - R^3)

and dV = Qenc => d=Q/V

so

d = 3Q/(4π(S^3 - R^3))

That's not technically wrong, but it doesn't answer the question. You are already given the density, d. The problem statement is asking you to solve for the total charge, Q.

(For part B)
0<r<R
the electric field will be 0 because the electric field can't close on itself

Correct. :approve:

R< r< S
E=kQenc/r2 = (4πkρ(r^3 - R^3))/3r^2

That's the first introduction of ρ, the Greek letter "rho." Is that supposed to be d?

You're supposed to answer in terms of r, R, S, d and p.

Whatever the case, rather than fiddle with substitutions, I suggest starting over. Use Gauss' law.

This part of the problem is very straightforward if you start with Gauss' law; that way it doesn't require any fancy-schmancy substitutions.

S<r
E = kQ/r2 because the sphere can be treated as a point charge and the electric field is symmetric on a sphere

That's also correct, but is using the wrong set of variables. You could make the substitution of [itex]k = \frac{1}{4 \pi p}[/itex], but as it turns out, the solution is actually easier to come by if you apply Gauss' law from start to finish, solving for E as the final step*. :wink:

*[Edit: although you can leverage the total charge found in part A.]
 
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