Thin-Film Interference: Coating a Lens - Answers found, explanation needed

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The discussion revolves around thin-film interference, specifically in the context of coating a lens. Participants are examining the conditions for constructive and destructive interference, using relevant equations to analyze two different problems related to reflection and phase changes in light as it interacts with coatings of different refractive indices.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply equations for constructive and destructive interference to two similar problems but questions the fundamental differences in their setups. Other participants discuss the implications of phase changes at boundaries between materials of different refractive indices and how these affect the interference patterns.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, clarifying misunderstandings about phase changes and their effects on interference. Some have acknowledged errors in their reasoning, while others are exploring the implications of these phase changes on the answers to the problems. There is a productive exchange of ideas, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the interpretations of the problems.

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Participants note the importance of understanding phase changes at boundaries, particularly when light transitions between materials of differing refractive indices. There is an ongoing discussion about how these phase changes influence the conditions for maximum and minimum reflection in the context of the problems presented.

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Thin-Film Interference: Coating a Lens -- Answers found, explanation needed!

Homework Statement


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Boxed answers are the correct ones.

Homework Equations



2L=(m+1/2)(λ/n) for constructive interference (maximum reflection, bright film)
2L=(m)(λ/n) for destructive interference (minimum reflection, dark film)

Where:
L = thickness of film
m = fringe count (for m=0,1,2,3,4...)
λ = wavelength of light
n = refractive index of coating

The Attempt at a Solution



I got the correct answer (a) for Fall2008 #20 by using the equation for constructive interference, plugging in 0 for m, 1000 nm for λ, and 1.8 for n.
Now for Sp2011 #11, I took it as essentially the same question except this one is asking for minimum reflection, so I should use the equation for destructive interference. Doing that gets me (e), which is incorrect. The correct answer is (b), which is half of (e), implying that I should use the equation for constructive interference.

Am I missing a fundamental difference between the two problems besides one asking for minimum and another asking for maximum reflection? Thanks for the help.
 
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The λ of the light in the coating is 550/n. The light must travel a distance of λ/2 in the coating to emerge from the coating out of phase with the reflected light byλ/2 and cause destructive interference. In the first example this means that the coating needs to be λ/4 thick.(106nm)
In the second example the logic is exactly the same but this time a phase change of λ/2 occurs at the junction of the coating and the visor of the helmet. A phase change of λ/2 occurs when there is reflection from a boundary when the light passes from high refractive index (1.8) into low refractive index (1.5). The wavelength of the light in the coating is 1000/n
A phase change of 0.5 of this wavelength occurs at the coating/visor junction. To MAXIMISE the reflection the 2 waves should emerge in phase therefore the path difference through the coating (2 x thickness) needs to be λ/2 giving a total phase difference of 1λ
In the first example there is no λ/2 phase difference at the junction between the coating and the lens because the refractive index of the lens is greater than the refractive index of the coating.
 


technician said:
In the second example the logic is exactly the same but this time a phase change of λ/2 occurs at the junction of the coating and the visor of the helmet. A phase change of λ/2 occurs when there is reflection from a boundary when the light passes from high refractive index (1.8) into low refractive index (1.5).

The opposite is true: There is no phase change when the light reflects from a lower-index medium, and the phase of the reflected wave changes by pi when the light enters from a lower index medium to the boundary with a higher index one.

The pi phase change corresponds to half-wavelength optical path difference.

ehild
 


ehild... you are correct, I have checked my notes and got it the wrong way round!
I think that in the first question there is a phase change of pi at both surfaces but in the second question there is only 1 phase change of pi at the air/coating surface.
I think it makes no difference to the answers but what I wrote was confusing.
Apologies to FishStik and to you... and thanks.
 


You are welcome :smile:

ehild
 

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