Things that take your breath away

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The discussion revolves around awe-inspiring facts and concepts in physics, mathematics, and chemistry that evoke feelings of wonder. Participants share intriguing tidbits and explore the implications of these ideas, touching on topics such as light perception, dark matter, and the nature of scientific understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that to register light, a human eye needs about 9 photons within a 100 ms period, while another claims that only 5 photons are necessary if they hit the same cone.
  • There is a mention of the vast number of photons emitted by stars like Betelgeuse, which raises questions about the scale of the universe.
  • Another participant expresses amazement at the composition of the universe, suggesting that 85% is made up of dark matter and dark energy, while others propose different ratios.
  • Some participants discuss the theoretical nature of concepts like light behaving as both particles and waves, and the implications of dark energy.
  • One participant argues against the merging of scientific concepts with spiritualism, emphasizing a more traditional understanding of physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the nature of light, the percentages of dark matter and energy, and the relationship between science and spiritualism. No consensus is reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of dark energy and light behavior, as well as varying interpretations of the relationship between science and philosophy.

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Ok, so the idea is this: List some tidbit of information about physics or math or chemistry or whatever that gives you a feeling of awe / goose bumps / mystery when you look at.

I'll go first to give an idea of what I am talking about.

Some initial facts:

- For your eye to register light, you need about 9 photons within a 100 ms period of time.
- In dim light, a human pupil has a diameter of about 8 mm.

The star "Betelgeuse" is somewhere around 400 ly away from us, but we can see it with the naked eye. This means every 50 mm^2 of the surface of a sphere with a radius of 400 light years, receives at least 9 photons every 100ms. The sheer amount of photons generated boggles my mind.

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Actually according to Dr. Daniel Robinson you only need about 5 photons. If the five photons hit one cone you'll see it, but all five need to hit one cone. If one photon hits a rod and another hits a neighboring rod etc until 5 photons hit five neighboring rods you will see it, that's why your peripheral vision is more sensitive than looking straight on when it is dark
 
Ok. My source (from 1986 or so) said "five to nine". I still get dizzy thinking about the end product though :)

k
 
that's okay I made mine up
 
just kidding, I have it on a books on tape lecture
 
No wonder the ratio of photons to baryons is a billion to one.

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1996/ph123/l6b.html"
 
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I'm sort of amazed at the amount of the Universe that is made up of stuff that isn't what we're made of. What's the latest percentages? 85%Dark matter/dark energy vs 15% our stuff.
 
tribdog said:
I'm sort of amazed at the amount of the Universe that is made up of stuff that isn't what we're made of. What's the latest percentages? 85%Dark matter/dark energy vs 15% our stuff.[/QUOTE

Yeah that's rad.

What freaks me is all these concepts are theoretical.

Light acts like photons (particles in vacuum) and like waves (refraction/colour) it isn't defined exactly.

Dark energy, negative energy (eg below abs zero). It all sounds whack but it is new discovery.

Science is becoming more broad and sometimes resembles "the secret" type philosophies. So I think that science can concur with spiritualism more and more and that's positively awesome!
 
tribdog said:
I'm sort of amazed at the amount of the Universe that is made up of stuff that isn't what we're made of. What's the latest percentages? 85%Dark matter/dark energy vs 15% our stuff.
I think it's 95/5, but don't forget, we are dark matter ourselves.
 
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tribdog said:
I'm sort of amazed at the amount of the Universe that is made up of stuff that isn't what we're made of. What's the latest percentages? 85%Dark matter/dark energy vs 15% our stuff.[/QUOTE

Yeah that's rad.

What freaks me is all these concepts are theoretical.

Light acts like photons (particles in vacuum) and like waves (refraction/colour) it isn't defined exactly.

Dark energy, negative energy (eg below abs zero). It all sounds whack but it is new discovery.

Science is becoming more broad and sometimes resembles "the secret" type philosophies. So I think that science can concur with spiritualism more and more and that's positively awesome!

Then you are probably in the wrong place. I don't agree with any spiritualism in physics. I also never heard of dark energy having anything to do with abs zero and it wouldn't be below abs zero anyway. That's why its abs zero. And as far as light not being defined exactly, I don't really agree with that either. Scientists have a pretty good handle on light. Sometimes it behaves like a wave sometimes a particle. It depends what you are looking for, but whatever you are looking for you will get it every time, so it's defined pretty well.
 

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