Thinking on a Tangent: Universe & Beyond

In summary, the conversation discusses the idea of using extra dimensions to gain a better understanding of the universe, particularly in relation to the properties of particles such as photons and electrons. While some may argue that we should focus on understanding these fundamental properties first, others believe that exploring the potential role of higher dimensions could lead to a deeper understanding of these particles. Ultimately, research and theory must go hand in hand in order for new discoveries to be made.
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Why do people think about extra dimensions to aide our knowledge of the universe, when we do not even know what forces control the elements?
i mean what controls the properties of the photon, the electron, they are well known in the literature, but what gives them there properties, why should a photon be a photon?
 
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wolram said:
Why do people think about extra dimensions to aide our knowledge of the universe, when we do not even know what forces control the elements?
i mean what controls the properties of the photon, the electron, they are well known in the literature, but what gives them there properties, why should a photon be a photon?


Geez Wolram, that's not a very sharp question. Why is ANYTHING what it is and not something else? It is perfectly true that quantum mechanics says nothing about the nature of reality, and has passed that characteristic on to its descendants quantum field theory and the standard model. But any attempt to get beyond the scrim of formalism has to use what tools it can. Saying we should not look at something that might be useful because we don't understand something else doesn't strike me as very productive.
 
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selfAdjoint said:
Geez Wolram, that's not a very sharp question. Why is ANYTHING what it is and not something else? It is perfectly true that quantum mechanics says nothing about the nature of reality, and has passed that characteristic on to its descendants quantum field theory and the standard model. But any attempt to get beyond the scrim of formalism has to use what tools it can. Saying we should not look at something that might be useful because we don't understand something else doesn't strike me as very productive.

Lack of sleep :biggrin:

But surly if we knew why a photon is what it is and allowed in this universe
it would be more productive than looking for ghosts.
 
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But that's just it; we don't know why a photon is what it is, or what gives an electron its properties. That's exactly what the theories involving higher dimensions are trying to discover. Research has to start with theory, or no new understanding can take place. String theories and brane theories are attempts to understand these questions that have not yielded to our understanding so far.

I mean, what if the existence of higher dimensions, and the complex folding of matter and energy in these extra, unseen directions are the cause of the properties we call "mass" or "charge"? Then, without researching these theories, we'd never "know what forces control the elements".
 

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