Is There a Universe Beyond Our Own?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether there exists a universe beyond our own, particularly focusing on the nature of boundaries, the definition of the universe, and the implications of distant regions that may not affect our observable universe. The scope includes theoretical exploration and conceptual clarification.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that beyond the boundaries of our universe, there could be an infinite loop of black space, suggesting the possibility of another universe that is unreachable.
  • Others argue that if something has an effect on the observable universe, it is part of our universe by definition, raising questions about the relevance of other universes.
  • One participant suggests that defining the universe as everything that impacts observation implies that no other universes exist, unless they are defined as "directly observable."
  • A later reply introduces the idea of pre-inflationary fluctuations potentially affecting the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), hinting at the existence of "empty regions of space" outside the observable universe that could leave traces without being directly observable.
  • Another participant mentions Penrose's large universe, proposing that distant parts could be so far removed from our observable universe that they might be considered separate universes, created at different times without affecting the CMBR smoothness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of the universe and the implications of distant regions, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus on the existence of other universes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of "universe" and "observable universe," as well as the impact of distant regions on observable phenomena, which remain unresolved.

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Hey,

I was just thinking and wondering if beyond the boundaries of our universe, (if there were boundaries) if it was at all possible that it was an infinite loop of black space with no dimensions but beyond that boundary that there is another universe that we could not reach, hence the infinite loop.

Answers? Comments?

Thanks!
 
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RandyDisher said:
I was just thinking and wondering if beyond the boundaries of our universe, (if there were boundaries) if it was at all possible that it was an infinite loop of black space with no dimensions but beyond that boundary that there is another universe that we could not reach, hence the infinite loop.

It's possible, however there are limits to what we know, and it's easy to imagine different things outside our observable boundaries.

The hard part is to come up with good arguments that something *isn't* possible.
 
If it has an effect on the observable universe, it is part of our universe by definition. If not, it is irrelevant. Do you have an effect in mind?
 
Chronos said:
If it has an effect on the observable universe, it is part of our universe by definition.

If you define the universe as everything that has an impact on what can be observed, then by definition there are no other universes since any other universes would be part of our universe.

But I think the question defines "universe" as "directly observable universe".

If not, it is irrelevant. Do you have an effect in mind?

I was thinking about pre-inflationary fluctuations that have some impact on the CMB. If you had "empty regions of space outside the observable universe, then this could leave traces in the CMB background without being observable.
 
I think that it is possible to imagine parts of Penrose's large universe that are so far away from our observable universe that they have no effect whatsoever. These distant parts could be considered separate universes?

In fact I recently proposed in my first ever post here that these distant parts could be so far away as they could have been created at different times to our observable universe and still not have an effect on the CMBR smoothness.
 

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