News This is an opportunity to strike Iraq - Don Rumsfeld, 911

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Following the 9/11 attacks, Don Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz quickly discussed the potential to strike Iraq, viewing it as an opportunity to address perceived threats. Rumsfeld believed that Iraq could be an easy target due to its oppressive regime, while Wolfowitz proposed strategies for military action focused on Iraqi oil fields. However, President Bush and Vice President Cheney prioritized Afghanistan, adopting an "Afghanistan first" strategy despite the ongoing discussions about Iraq. The conversation also touched on the complexities of linking Iraq to Al-Qaeda, emphasizing that their relationship was not as aligned as some narratives suggested. Ultimately, the thread reflects on the motivations behind the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the implications for corporate interests in Iraqi oil resources.
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russ_watters said:
So? Only if you reject the existence of an objective definition of "terrorism." I'll grant you, though, that it appears the supporters of terrorists do exactly that. I'm more precise with my word usage - as is the law.

Well, terrorists attack civilian targets of a country to establish terror within the population, as a means of realising their political agenda.
Resistance fighters are a non-formal army which fights the nation which occupies/attacks their people/nation/...
Palestinians do both: they attack the civil population of Israel, but their political agenda is the liberation of their people from Israeli occupation. This is something completely different, as, say, the Communist Cells who bombed subway stations and supermarkets in Western Europe in the 80-ies in order to establish a communist agenda (and were actually a small group of deluded individuals).
Now, I know very well that in recent history, the Palestinians didn't do "the right thing", which is: accept to live as respected second-class civilians in another country, namely Israel.
And I know that the violence has escaladed between the two communities, without it being possible to indicate which one is right, and which one is wrong. But you have kids throwing rocks at tanks, airplanes bombing tent camps, ... This is mistreating a whole population. If you're born as a Palestinian kid, the future isn't very bright for you, and you shouldn't be surprised that the only thing such a kid, when it is 17 years old, desires, is to kill off jews and doesn't mind dying in doing so. This is not a "political ideal" he tries to impose upon the terrified Israeli population ; it is revenge for what has been done to his people. So is that a bad bad terrorist, or someone who fights a hopeless fight for his people ? It is not so clear.
That doesn't mean that I agree with blowing up busses and so on. But what else can they do ? What's the perspective of the life of a "good Palestinian" ?
 
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Tumor it's MI5 not M15 (which might be a rifle)
 
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MI5 : Military Intelligence 5, which is actually a civilian organisation (like CIA).

I think MI6 is the actual military version.
 

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