# This picture first made me laugh then think

1. Aug 22, 2009

### Ian_Brooks

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3503/philosoraptor7.png [Broken]

thoughts?

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2. Aug 22, 2009

### kldickson

It's the Philosoraptor.

3. Aug 22, 2009

### kldickson

Though strictly speaking, that is a picture of a Deinonychus!

4. Aug 22, 2009

### Jimmy Snyder

I see that if the world were deterministic then there could be no free will. I don't see why a probabalistic world prevents free will. Can you explain?

5. Aug 22, 2009

### junglebeast

It doesn't...proof: "www.ams.org/notices/200902/rtx090200226p.pdf"[/URL]

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6. Aug 22, 2009

### Chi Meson

Is "free will" exclusive from "predetermination"? If so, and if probabilistic behavior preclude a deterministic outcome, then yes.

Edit: Seems that's what Jimmy just said.

Either way, you could argue that free will is an illusion.

7. Aug 22, 2009

### humanino

It also made me think, maybe dinosaurs disappeared after finding out the answer to this question.

8. Aug 22, 2009

### Pupil

Why? You're going to have to define free will before you make that assertion. Also, as a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism_and_incompatibilism" [Broken], I probably already reject your assertion.

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9. Aug 22, 2009

### humanino

You are contributing to that.
Glad to hear you hold your own beliefs, but that's not even philosophy. Just belief.

10. Aug 22, 2009

### junglebeast

Well, there is a physics explanation (which I linked), but apparently nobody cares about that.

11. Aug 22, 2009

### humanino

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12. Aug 22, 2009

### ideasrule

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It disturbs the hell out of me that this is from a child's coloring book. Considering what other lies and dirty tactics creationists use, though, I guess I can't complain much.

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13. Aug 22, 2009

### physics girl phd

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That's some really good coloring though... I like how the artist added a halo to Jesus.

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14. Aug 22, 2009

### Pupil

Hence why I said it.

Do you know what philosophy is?

15. Aug 22, 2009

### Math Is Hard

Staff Emeritus
I don't think it's very rational to make a snap judgment of the source of the image based off one's prejudice against a group of people. Better to do a little searching first.

It appears to be a satirical piece by artist Derek Chatwood.

http://www.poprelics.com/

16. Aug 22, 2009

### BobG

I don't think a kid colored it though. A kid wouldn't have dribbled coffee all over the page.

17. Aug 22, 2009

### Chi Meson

Who needs an actual answer to the question?

18. Aug 22, 2009

### humanino

"The love of knowledge/wisdom/science" as in φιλοσοφία or "philo" and "sophia".
My pick would be :
google 2 : the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
which you decided to hide

19. Aug 22, 2009

### Pupil

No, I skipped 2 and quoted the definitions of philosophy which directly had the keyword 'belief' in them. If not posting a definition is "hiding" that definition, then you hid results 4 to infinity from me.

EDIT: Further, even if I was hiding a definition, I gave you two other perfectly valid ones. You don't have to like them, but by them and every other definition of philosophy within this context compatibilism is a philosophy.

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20. Aug 22, 2009

### Staff: Mentor

Definition of philosophy - "a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means"

Merriam Webster online

Couldn't have said it better myself.

21. Aug 22, 2009

### tribdog

I'll bet you could if you tried.

22. Aug 22, 2009

### Flat

I love most of the socially awkward penguins

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23. Aug 22, 2009

### humanino

The two other definitions provided by wordnetweb.princeton.edu are (IMHO) not suited to describe what the "philosophy" subforum is about. You first claimed I do not know what philosophy means. I claim that the forum rules make it clear that the subforum "philosophy" is not about belief.

Besides, I merely stick to etymology.

24. Aug 22, 2009

### TheStatutoryApe

I knew it. I got an inkling from one of your other posts but this seals the deal.

Funny also that I was just typing up a post about anon's possible involvement in ObamaJoker before coming to this thread.