Thorium Fission: Overcoming Hurdles to Power

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations associated with the development and implementation of thorium fission reactors. Participants explore various hurdles, including economic, technological, political, and safety aspects, as well as the properties of thorium and its byproducts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that economic factors are significant hurdles, noting the existing infrastructure for uranium.
  • Technological challenges are highlighted, particularly regarding the use of molten solid coolant and the safety concerns associated with handling irradiated thorium-232 material.
  • Political factors are mentioned, with references to the impact of events like the Fukushima Daiichi disaster on public perception and policy regarding nuclear power.
  • There are claims that the thorium cycle produces less waste and has fewer proliferation concerns compared to uranium, although this is debated.
  • One participant points out that thorium-232 does not fission directly and must decay into uranium-233, which involves gamma radiation emissions, complicating its use.
  • Questions are raised about the necessity of molten solid coolant and the potential for using water coolant instead, alongside concerns about the activation of alternative coolants.
  • The long half-life of certain thorium waste products, such as protactinium-232, is discussed, with implications for waste management and safety.

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Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and safety of thorium reactors, with no clear consensus on the best approaches or solutions to the identified hurdles. Multiple competing perspectives on the benefits and challenges of thorium fission remain evident.

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Limitations include unresolved questions about the practicality of different coolant types and the specific implications of thorium waste management compared to uranium. The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the safety and efficiency of thorium as a nuclear fuel.

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Greetings,

I am curious, what is keeping us from having thorium fission reactors? What are the hurdles that we need to overcome?
 
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Economic. Uranium infrastructure is extant. Technological, molten solid coolant is problematic.
 
What else are we going to do with uranium anyways.
 
There's also the political angle. Just as nuclear power was starting to get popular again, Fukushima Daiichi happened, which is a real shame. If I recall, the thorium cycle produces less waste, is more abundant on the planet, and cannot be weaponized (or not very easily), so it has little to no proliferation concerns.
 
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Greetings,

I am curious, what is keeping us from having thorium fission reactors? What are the hurdles that we need to overcome?

One big obstacle is that thorium itself doesn't fission. Thorium-232 captures a neutron and then decays into U-233, which is capable of fission. However, this decay process involves the emission of gamma radiation, which makes handling irradiated Th-232 material very dangerous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium_fuel_cycle

The irradiation of thorium also produces U-232, which is not fissile, but which also produces gamma rays as it decays.

All in all, thorium is not the cheap nuclear fuel which has been portrayed by some.
 
Alright then, 2 more follow up questions:

1) Does it really have to be molten solid coolant? Whats wrong with using thorium with water coolant? And why is liquefied solid coolant such a big problem, I know of at least 1 place where it is in use, the solar tower in spain...

2) How long is the decay of the thorium waste compared to uranium?
 
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Fission byproducts, waste, are a spectrum. A long lived thorium waste product is 232 Pa with a half-life of 32,760 years. But a long half-life makes for a lower specific activity.

Molten coolant is often the solvent for the dissolved fuel.

Coolant other than water will become activated, radioactive, a leak then is a leak of solidifying radioactive material. See the Monju disaster.
 
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Ahh, yes, makes sense, to stiffen up is a lot better than to spill around. But what are the problems with implementation? I know that there's a solar tower in spain that uses molten salt to generate power when there is no sunlight, like at night.
 

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