Three problems of finding a base

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The discussion revolves around finding bases for various mathematical systems, particularly focusing on linear algebra concepts such as homogeneous systems, subspaces, and orthonormal bases. The problems involve matrices and vector spaces, with participants exploring methods to determine bases and generators for given sets.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss methods for row reducing matrices to find bases for solution spaces, questioning the correctness of their approaches and results. Some express uncertainty about the scaling of matrices and the identification of linearly independent vectors. Others explore the construction of orthonormal bases and the validity of their procedures.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and results. Some have provided partial answers and are seeking confirmation or guidance on their methods. There is a recognition of errors in previous attempts, and participants are encouraged to clarify their reasoning and processes.

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Participants mention specific values and matrices relevant to their problems, such as the value of \upsilon and the structure of matrices involved. There is also a reference to potential arithmetic errors and the need for careful construction of matrices when determining bases.

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Homework Statement



Find The values of "Find the values of \upsilon for which the homogeneous
system (A - \upsilon I)X = 0 has non trivial solution e for these values of \upsilon,
find a base for the solution space from the system.
Which A being = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 0 &amp; -3 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 \end{pmatrix}

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The Attempt at a Solution



I already found the value of \upsilon which it is 1. My problem it is to find the base. I don't know how to do it in this case. Normally I pick up the matrix and scale it until I can find linearly independent vectors, but in this case, using the given matrix above I don't reach the correct solution. Should I scale this matrix?
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 0 - \upsilon &amp; -3 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}. I scaled the normal matrix A

The correct answer it is: { (0,0,0,1),(1,0,1,0),(1,1,0,0) }

Homework Statement



Be M = { (3a + 4b - 4c, 2a -4b -6c, -2a -4b +2c) | a,b,c \epsilon R } a subspace of R³

a)Find a set of generators to M
b)Find a base for M

The Attempt at a Solution



Here another problem to find a base. I did part a) in which I found: { (3,2,-2),(4,-4,-4),(-4,6,2) }

Then I read the answer and saw { (3,2,-2),(1,-1,-1),(-2,-3,1) } Since the two last vectors that I found are multiple from these last two, I thought there would be no problem with my answer.

Then to solve part b) I picked up my vectors and scale them, trying to get the minimal amount of linearly independent vectors: \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 3 &amp; 4 &amp; -4 \\ 2 &amp; -4 &amp; -6 \\ -2 &amp; -4 &amp; 2 \end{pmatrix}. In the end the result that I found is wrong, but fairly close to the correct answer. So I think I did something wrong when constructing the matrix, but maybe it was just
arithmetic errors. So if someone can confirm if this is the right way to solve the problem, if it is I can show the scaling in details

Homework Statement



Find an orthonormal base for the solution set of the linear homogeneous system:
x - y - 2z +w = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I try to construct three base vectors like this: x = y + 2z - w for y=1, z=0, w=0.
Then do the same for y=0, z=1, w=0. And finally for y=0, z=0, w=1.
After doing that I pick up three four dimensional vectors and check to see if they are orthogonal. I checked and saw that they aren't. Used orthogonal projection to construct an orthogonal vector to one of the original vectors and then normalized it...to see that it was wrong. So I ask: the procedure I did is right ? If it is I can put in details what I did. If not... what should I do?

Thanks for any input
 
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1)Row reduce (A-v)

The correct answer it is not: (0,0,0,1),(1,0,1,0),(1,1,0,0)
 
lurflurf said:
1)Row reduce (A-v)

The correct answer it is not: (0,0,0,1),(1,0,1,0),(1,1,0,0)

True I copied wrongly, it is (1,-2,1)

Anyway I am not being able to row reduce it. Here are my two attempts:

1°:
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; - \upsilon &amp; -3 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}. L2 -> L2 + 3L1

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 - 3\upsilon &amp; - \upsilon &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}

2°: \begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; - \upsilon &amp; -3 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}. L2 -> L2 - \upsilon*L3

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 0 &amp; -3 -3\upsilon -\upsilon^2 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}

Then I don't know how to proceed in any of the cases
 
colt said:
True I copied wrongly, it is (1,-2,1)

Anyway I am not being able to row reduce it. Here are my two attempts:

1°:
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; - \upsilon &amp; -3 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}. L2 -> L2 + 3L1

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 - 3\upsilon &amp; - \upsilon &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}

2°: \begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; - \upsilon &amp; -3 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}. L2 -> L2 - \upsilon*L3

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> - \upsilon &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 0 &amp; -3 -3\upsilon -\upsilon^2 \\ 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 - \upsilon \end{pmatrix}

Then I don't know how to proceed in any of the cases

You said you had found the value of ##\upsilon=1## that will give you nontrivial solutions, presumably by solving the characteristic equation. So use it. Put ##\upsilon=1##.
 

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