Calculating Energies for a 3 Particle Spin System with the Clebsh-Gordon Table

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energies of a system consisting of three spin-1/2 particles using a specified Hamiltonian. The participants explore the implications of the Clebsch-Gordan table for spin addition and the challenges of applying spin operators to the defined states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the representation of spin states and the application of Hamiltonian operators. There are attempts to express the Hamiltonian in different forms and to understand how the operators act on the states. Questions arise regarding the use of Clebsch-Gordan coefficients and the treatment of combined spin systems.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants suggest rewriting the Hamiltonian for clarity, while others consider the implications of using product states as a basis. There is a mix of strategies being proposed, with no clear consensus yet on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of dealing with three spin-1/2 particles and the limitations of the Clebsch-Gordan table for this specific case. There is also mention of the desire to avoid constructing the Hamiltonian in matrix form, indicating a preference for a more generalized approach.

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Homework Statement


Find the energies for a 3 spin-1/2 particles with the Hamiltonean:
H=\frac{E_0}{\hbar^2}(\vec{S_1}.\vec{S_3}+\vec{S_2}.\vec{S_3})

The Attempt at a Solution



From the Clebsh-Gordon table one gets all the spin functions:
|\frac{3}{2},\frac{3}{2}>...|\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2}>...|\frac{3}{2},-\frac{3}{2}> (6 states in total)

So, to get the matrix elements for the Hamiltonian I tried developing the dot product so I could work directly with the operators i.e.:

\vec{S_1}.\vec{S_3}=S_{1x}S_{3x}+S_{1y}S_{3y}+S_{1z}S_{3z}

Now the problem is that the states as they are defined represent only one particle and the spin operators act on each particle individually and there's no CG table for a 1/2x1/2x1/2 spin addition.

What's the best way to approach this?
 
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Hint: You can write the Hamiltonian as
$$\hat{H} = \frac{E_0}{\hbar^2}(\vec{S}_1+\vec{S}_2)\cdot\vec{S}_3.$$
 
vela said:
Hint: You can write the Hamiltonian as
$$\hat{H} = \frac{E_0}{\hbar^2}(\vec{S}_1+\vec{S}_2)\cdot\vec{S}_3.$$

Yes but my question is how do these operators act on these states? The basis I'm using only shows the m numbers of two particles because I've already summed the spins of the first two...
 
The usual trick here is to write

S_{1}\cdot S_{2}=\frac{1}{2}((S_1+S_2)^2-S_1^2-S_2^2)

Those operators you DO know how they act.

S_i^2\mid s,m\rangle = s(s+1)\mid s,m\rangle=\frac{3}{4}\mid s,m\rangle

The same goes for (S_1+S_2)^2, since you now its possible values from Clebsch-Gordan coefficients
 
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CFede said:
The usual trick here is to write

S_{1}\cdot S_{2}=\frac{1}{2}((S_1+S_2)^2-S_1^2-S_2^2)

Those operators you DO know how they act.

S_i^2\mid s,m\rangle = s(s+1)\mid s,m\rangle=\frac{3}{4}\mid s,m\rangle

The same goes for (S_1+S_2)^2, since you now its possible values from Clebsch-Gordan coefficients

Sorry to revive this thread but I am also trying to work out 3 spin 1/2 particle addition and this comment confused me. How can you find (S_1+S_2)^2 in the |S,m> basis using C.G. coefficients when S represents the total spin S_1+S_2+S_3?
 
I think I partly answered my own question: I guess you can treat (S_1+S_2) + S_3 as an addition of two spin systems? If that is the case then (S_1+S_2)^2|S,m>=h^2(S_1+S_2)(S_1+S_2+1)|S,m>. But then how do we treat S_1 and S_2? And I don't seem to need any C.G. coefficients using this method?
 
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You can plow through it by using the 8 "product states" as basis states:

##|+++\rangle\equiv |\uparrow\rangle_1|\uparrow\rangle_2|\uparrow \rangle_3 ##

##|-++\rangle\equiv |\downarrow\rangle_1|\uparrow\rangle_2|\uparrow \rangle_3 ##

etc. where ##|\uparrow\rangle_1## is spin up along z for particle 1.

Find the matrix representation of H in this basis and then find the eigenvalues of H. It's not too tedius. Most matrix elements are zero and H will be in block diagonal form. Not very elegant, but it works.
 
I agree that is probably the most straight forward way of going about this, I wanted to try to avoid explicit construction of the Hamiltonian in matrix form though with the hopes of possibly being able to generalize the process. Any hints on the route I was working on the previous post?

Thanks!
 

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