Three Times the Probability Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a probability question from a textbook asking for the probability at which an event is three times as likely to occur than not to occur. Participants explore the relationships between the probabilities of occurrence and nonoccurrence, seeking to clarify the conditions necessary to solve the problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the relationship p=3q, where p is the probability of occurrence and q is the probability of nonoccurrence.
  • Another participant questions the need for an additional condition beyond p=3q, suggesting that the probability of nonoccurrence could also be expressed as a function of occurrence.
  • There is a discussion about expressing q in terms of p, with one participant asserting that q=1-p is necessary to solve the equation.
  • Some participants express confusion over the requirement for two relationships between p and q, with differing interpretations of what constitutes a relationship.
  • One participant acknowledges that both p=3q and q=1-p can be used to find a solution, indicating a potential overlap in understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of finding two distinct relationships between p and q, leading to some confusion and debate about the interpretation of the problem and the relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of the relationships between p and q, as well as the clarity of the instructions provided by participants. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding about how to approach the problem mathematically.

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hey, i came upon this question in the textbook " for what probability will an event be three times as likely to occur than not to occur?" I'm not really sure how to even go about this question so any hints or help would be appreciated
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Let p be the probability of occurrence, q the probability of nonoccurence. We are told p=3q from the question, and all we need to do is find another condition. Which is...?
 
i understand p=3q, meaning the probability is three times more likely to occur than not but what do you mean by another condition? Like the probability of something being 3 times as likely to NOT occur than to occur?
 
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No. If the probability of X is p, and the probability of not X is q, then what condition does this impose on p and q?
 
How do you express a probability?
 
SwAnK said:
i understand p=3q, meaning the probability is three times more likely to occur than not but what do you mean by another condition? Like the probability of something being 3 times as likely to NOT occur than to occur?
What Matt said means that you must express q as a function of p. Then you must solve the equation p=3q for p to find your answer.
 
I meant no such thing. You can't 'solve' p=3q. I meant precisely what I said. Find two relationships between p and q. (Hint: LAW OF TOTAL PROBABILITY, or in this case if A happens with probability p, then NOT(A) happens with probability 1-p)
 
Now you're not making much sense at all. I assumed that you meant that he should realize that q=1-p. That turns p=3q into p=3(1-p), and you can definitely solve that for p. So why are you objecting? Is that something that you just do by default?

And why are you talking about two relationships between p and q?! He already knows that p=3q, so there's only one relationship left to find and that's q=1-p.
 
Yes, I meant that the OP should notice that 1-p=q. It was not at all clear that that was what you were referring to. You said to express p as a function of q. Well, p=3q does precisely that, modulo the fact we don't actually really need to invoke the word function at all. Your post seemingly refers to only one relation between p and q, since it invokes a relation and gives p=3q and doesn't indicate that by these you mean different relations. The point is to find two. You don't mention this at all, hence my confusion as to what you thought you were adding to the debate.
 
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You said to express p as a function of q. Well, p=3q does precisely that, modulo the fact we don't actually really need to invoke the word function at all.
That's a good point actually. :smile:

(I said express q as a function of p, but p=3q does that too, so you're still right).
 

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