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This discussion focuses on solving two equations involving the variables A, B, λ (lambda), γ (gamma), and θ (theta) for a physics research problem. The equations are: A cos(γ) sinh(θ) = λ - B cosh(θ) and A cos(γ) cosh(θ) = A sin(γ) - B sinh(θ). The challenge arises from having three unknowns (λ, θ, γ) with only two equations, making it impossible to find a unique solution without additional constraints. A suggested approach involves setting γ to π/2, simplifying the equations to find θ and subsequently λ.

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This isn't my homework: I'm doing some physics research and I'm stuck at a simple 2 equations. I want to solve these equations

A \cos(\gamma) \sinh(\theta) = \lambda - B \cosh(\theta)
A \cos(\gamma) \cosh(\theta) = A \sin(\gamma) - B \sinh(\theta)

I'd like to know if there's any way I can find \lambda if I start with A and B known. I'd be happy to do this numerically, but I can't see how I would. I've tried monkeying with the algebra for a while.

All that my undergrad math tells me is that there should be a solution since there are 2 equations, 2 unknowns.

Is there any way I can solve this numerically, or approximate the solution by hand, or even show that there is a solution?

I'm stumped!
 
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There are 4 unknowns in this. A, B, Gamma, Theta.

There may be a way of solving this but not with any form of simulataneous equations of matrices i wouldn't think. Don't hold me to that though.
 
A and B are known parameters. Indeed, I have already tabulated them numerically.
 
Sorry that was me misreading the post. Another problem is still there. Even though we have two equations we have three variables. (I missed out lambda last time). You would need 3 equations for this to work.
 
Of course, thanks. I'll try to find a new constraint.
 
andrewm said:
This isn't my homework: I'm doing some physics research and I'm stuck at a simple 2 equations. I want to solve these equations

A \cos(\gamma) \sinh(\theta) = \lambda - B \cosh(\theta)
A \cos(\gamma) \cosh(\theta) = A \sin(\gamma) - B \sinh(\theta)

I'd like to know if there's any way I can find \lambda if I start with A and B known. I'd be happy to do this numerically, but I can't see how I would. I've tried monkeying with the algebra for a while.

All that my undergrad math tells me is that there should be a solution since there are 2 equations, 2 unknowns.

Is there any way I can solve this numerically, or approximate the solution by hand, or even show that there is a solution?

I'm stumped!
At the very least, you may square&subtract:
A^{2}\cos^{2}(\gamma) \cosh^{2}(\theta)-A^{2} \cos^{2}(\gamma) \sinh^{2}(\theta)= (A \sin(\gamma) - B \sinh(\theta))^{2}-(\lambda - B \cosh(\theta) )^{2}
Which can be simplified to:
A^{2}\cos(2\gamma)=2B\lambda\cosh(\theta)-2AB\sin(\gamma)\sinh(\theta)-(B^{2}+\lambda^{2})
Maybe this equation can be used for something, or maybe not.
 
You still have three unknowns, \lambda, \theta, and \gamma with only two equations.
 
If you're just looking for any solution...

To start, pick gamma=pi/2. Then your equations reduce to

\lambda -Bcosh( \theta ) = 0
A - Bsinh (\theta ) = 0

Based on the second equation, you find theta, then use the first equation to find lambda.
 
I'd bring all thetas on one side and then square and subtract. The result is
<br /> \cos 2\gamma=\frac{B^2-\lambda^2}{A^2}<br />
but please check it for yourself.
 

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