Time after big bang we can observe, uncertainty principle

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of the Compton wavelength and event horizon in relation to the uncertainty of observing the early universe, specifically the time after the big bang. Participants explore the implications of these concepts on our understanding of quantum gravity and the limits of observation in cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the role of the Compton wavelength and event horizon in determining the limits of observation back to the big bang, specifically referencing the Planck time.
  • One participant asserts that we can observe objects as they were billions of years ago, using radio telescopes, which challenges the notion that we cannot see back in time.
  • Another participant explains that the Compton wavelength of the Planck mass equals its Schwarzschild radius, suggesting a significant relationship between quantum phenomena and gravitational fields.
  • There is a discussion about whether the equality of the Compton wavelength and Schwarzschild radius is a significant finding or merely a mathematical coincidence, with differing opinions on its implications.
  • Some participants express skepticism about recent papers that may overlook or misinterpret the constraints posed by these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability to observe the past, with some asserting that it is possible while others suggest it is not. There is also contention regarding the significance of the relationship between the Compton wavelength and Schwarzschild radius, indicating multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to unresolved aspects of quantum gravity and the limitations of current theories, as well as the dependence on definitions related to mass and length in the context of the Compton wavelength and Schwarzschild radius.

Finestructure
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
Can someone explain why the compton wavelength and event horizon are used to determine the uncertainty in what we can see if we were to look back in time to the big bang. (We can only see back to 10^-43 seconds after the big bang.)

Here's a website that derives this time (Planck time)

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/astro/planck.html
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
Finestructure said:
Can someone explain why the compton wavelength and event horizon are used to determine the uncertainty in what we can see if we were to look back in time to the big bang. (We can only see back to 10^-43 seconds after the big bang.)

Here's a website that derives this time (Planck time)

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/astro/planck.html

"Fine"; we can't see back in time. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
Ah, yes we can. We do it every day. In fact, right at this very instant I am studying an object as it was 3.5 billion years ago. I used a radio telescope to look back in time and see what it looked like then...
 
The Compton wavelength of the Planck mass is equal to it’s Schwarzschild radius. The Planck mass or the Planck units provide a scale for which quantum phenomena of gravitational fields should become important. As there is still no completely successful theory of quantum gravitation those phenomena remain a mistery. To see how these both quantities set this quantum gravity scale consider a black hole for which the Compton wavelength and the Schwarzschild radius are roughly the same. In that case the radius of the event horizon and the uncertainty in the position of the object are similar. This questions the existence of the singularity and therefore the validity of general relativity.
 
hellfire said:
The Compton wavelength of the Planck mass is equal to it’s Schwarzschild radius.

Thanks, I did not know that the Compton wavelength was associated iwth the Planck mass.
 
Finestructure said:
Thanks, I did not know that the Compton wavelength was associated iwth the Planck mass.


The Compton wave formula is just a function of mass; put any mass in and get a wavelength (a certain length) out. The Schwartzschild radius formula from GR is another example of a function of mass that returns a length. Set 'em equal and solve for the mass, and it comes out the Planck mass. And you know what else? The common length that comes out (equal lengths by your assumption) is the Planck length. Is that significant or just a mathematical trick? Nobody knows.
 
Not a trick IMO, SA. Just a cold, hard fact. Glad you brought that up. I see too many 'precendental' papers these days on arxiv these days that conveniently ignore this constraint [or abuse the **** out of it].
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
3K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
4K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K