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The discussion revolves around a time-independent perturbation problem from Schaum's Quantum Mechanics, specifically focusing on the interpretation and calculation of certain wavefunctions and quantum states. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between quantum states and wavefunctions, as well as the implications for calculating matrix elements in the context of perturbation theory.

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  • One participant questions the nature of the wavefunctions ##\mid \psi^{(0)}_{1,2} \rangle## and ##\mid \psi^{(0)}_{2,1} \rangle##, seeking clarification on how to derive them from the given unperturbed wavefunction.
  • Another participant clarifies that the terms refer to quantum states rather than wavefunctions, emphasizing the distinction between quantum states and their wavefunction representations.
  • A participant suggests that the quantum states can be identified by assigning the quantum numbers ##n_1## and ##n_2## the values 1 and 2.
  • Further elaboration indicates that while the quantum numbers can express eigenvalues of the unperturbed Hamiltonian, the matrix elements must be computed using the wavefunctions, as the unperturbed states are not necessarily eigenstates of the perturbation operator.
  • Participants discuss the use of the complete set of position eigenstates to express matrix elements in terms of wavefunctions, highlighting the integral formulation for calculating these elements.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of quantum states versus wavefunctions, and there is no consensus on the best approach to compute the matrix elements, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of quantum states and wavefunctions, as well as the mathematical steps involved in calculating matrix elements, which remain unresolved.

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Example from Schaum's Quantum Mechanics. Picture of the example is attached.

What I don't understand is part (c). What are those wavefunctions ##\mid \psi^{(0)}_{1,2} \rangle## and ##\mid \psi^{(0)}_{2,1} \rangle##? How do I find these wavefunctions, if the unperturbed wavefunction is ##\psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}(x,y) = \frac{2}{L} \sin \left( \frac{\pi n_1 x}{L} \right) \sin \left( \frac{\pi n_2 y}{L} \right)##?
 

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omoplata said:
Example from Schaum's Quantum Mechanics. Picture of the example is attached.

What I don't understand is part (c). What are those wavefunctions ##\mid \psi^{(0)}_{1,2} \rangle## and ##\mid \psi^{(0)}_{2,1} \rangle##? How do I find these wavefunctions, if the unperturbed wavefunction is ##\psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}(x,y) = \frac{2}{L} \sin \left( \frac{\pi n_1 x}{L} \right) \sin \left( \frac{\pi n_2 y}{L} \right)##?

Those are not wavefunctions: they are quantum states. I am not familiar with Schaum, but the difference is discussed in any decent quantum text, such as Griffiths. Basically, in QM, the fundamental objects are the quantum states ##|\psi\rangle##. Given a Hamiltonian and other operators, ##\hat{A}##, that act on these states, we can define observables by acting on the states and computing things like ##\langle \psi | \hat{A} | \psi\rangle##.

In this formalism, the position of a particle is also represented by an operator ##\hat{x}##. The eigenstates of this operator are quantum states we call ##|x\rangle##. The wavefunction corresponding to the state ##|\psi\rangle ## is defined by computing the inner product ##\psi(x) =\langle x | \psi \rangle##.

Note that while we can often write down the wavefunction ##\psi(x)## as a function, the quantum state ##|\psi \rangle ## is often described more abstractly by specifying its quantum numbers, which are its eigenvalues with respect to a set of commuting operators.

There are more details and references here.
 
OK. So the quantum states given in part (c) are found by assigning ##n_1## and ##n_2## the values 1 and 2?
 
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OK. So the quantum states given in part (c) are found by assigning ##n_1## and ##n_2## the values 1 and 2?

In part. The quantum numbers ##n_1## and ##n_2## can be used to express the eigenvalue of the unperturbed Hamiltonian when acting on the states ##| \psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}\rangle##. However, you want to compute the matrix element with the operator corresponding to the perturbation ##W##. In general (and in this particular case), the unperturbed states will not be eigenstates of the perturbation. So we actually want to express the matrix element in terms of the wavefunctions.

We can do this by noting that the eigenstates ##|x\rangle## of the position operator form a complete set of states. The meaning of complete set of states might be discussed in your text, but the fact that we specifically need here is that the expression

$$ \int d^2x |\vec{x}\rangle \langle \vec{x}| = 1$$

as an operator statement (here ##\vec{x} = (x,y)##). So we can insert this in our matrix element

$$ \langle \psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2} | W | \psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}\rangle = \int d^2x \langle \psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2} | \vec{x}\rangle W\langle \vec{x} | \psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}\rangle = \int d^2x (\psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}(\vec{x}))^* W \psi^{(0)}_{n_1,n_2}(\vec{x}).$$

The last term here gives us the matrix element in terms of the operator and the wavefunction. We can indeed determine a specific matrix element by picking the appropriate values of ##n_1## and ##n_2##, then computing the integral.
 

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