Time independent perturbation theory

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time-independent perturbation theory in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the conditions under which the perturbation matrix elements are comparable to the differences between the eigenvalues of the unperturbed Hamiltonian.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that for perturbation theory to be valid, the parameter lambda must be much smaller than one, and the matrix elements of the perturbation W should be comparable in magnitude to those of the unperturbed Hamiltonian H0.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the statement that the matrix elements of W are of the same magnitude as the difference between the eigenvalues of H0, seeking clarification on what this means.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify by explaining that the matrix elements refer to the entries in the matrix and should be about the same size as the differences between the eigenvalues of H0.
  • A participant provides an example matrix for W and a set of eigenvalues for H0, questioning whether the matrix element values are indeed comparable to the differences between specific eigenvalues, while also expressing uncertainty about which eigenvalues should be compared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the interpretation of the statement regarding the matrix elements and eigenvalue differences, indicating that there is ongoing confusion and debate about the definitions and implications of these terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific eigenvalues to consider for comparison and the meaning of "same magnitude," highlighting a potential lack of clarity in the definitions used in the discussion.

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H=H0 + lambda * W

lambda << 1 must hold and the matrix elements of W are comparable in magnitude to those of H0.

More precisely, the matrix elements of W are of the same magnitude as the difference between the eigenvalues of H0.

I don't understand what is the meaning of " the matrix elements of W are of the same magnitude as the difference between the eigenvalues of H0".

(the above explanation are obtained from the SChaum's Outlines of Quantum Mechanics)
 
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cks said:
H=H0 + lambda * W

lambda << 1 must hold and the matrix elements of W are comparable in magnitude to those of H0.

More precisely, the matrix elements of W are of the same magnitude as the difference between the eigenvalues of H0.

I don't understand what is the meaning of " the matrix elements of W are of the same magnitude as the difference between the eigenvalues of H0".

it means that the matrix elements (the entries in the matrix) are about that same size as the difference between that eigenvalues of H0.
 
What exactly is it that you don't understand? Are you having trouble understanding what exactly those matrix elements are and why they are called matrix elements or is it something else?
 
the matrix elements of W are of the same magnitude as the difference between the eigenvalues of H0".

Let's say the matrix W=[2.2 3.1 4.1; 4.1 5.3 6.0; 7.3 8.2 9.3] (matlab code)

let's say the eigenvalues of H0 are 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

the matrix element 2.2 is roughly the same as the difference of the eigenvalues of 3-1. Am I understanding this correctly?

the matrix elements of W are of the "same magnitude"(don't understand what same magnitude means?) as the difference(difference? difference between which eigenvalues, in my example, there are 9 eigenvalues, which minus which is the difference the author is talking?) between the eigenvalues of H0".
 

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