Time to Reach the Origin in Central Force Attraction

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The problem involves a particle of mass m that is attracted to the origin by a force described by F = -k/r². The objective is to find the time t it takes for the mass to reach the origin, utilizing concepts from potential energy and work-energy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work done and kinetic energy, with some suggesting that the force constant k may depend on mass. Others explore the integration of force to find work and potential energy, while questioning the correct application of energy conservation principles.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between work and energy, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding the force constant and its implications on the time calculation. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct expression for time.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of the force being a central force and the assumptions regarding the constancy of k. There are also considerations regarding the definitions of variables and the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to energy conservation.

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Homework Statement



a particle of mass m is attracted to the origin by a force F=-k/r^2

find the time t for the mass to reach the origin

Homework Equations



[tex]\Delta[/tex]U= U-U0 = [tex]\int[/tex][tex]\textbf{F}[/tex](r) dr



The Attempt at a Solution




I found [tex]\Delta[/tex]U by [tex]\Delta[/tex]U= U-U0 = [tex]\int[/tex]F(r) dr and by following the convention r0=[itex]\infty[/itex] U([itex]\infty[/itex])=0

so [tex]\Delta[/tex]U = [tex]\frac{-k}{r}[/tex]

-[tex]\Delta[/tex]U=[tex]\textbf{W}[/tex]

not sure what to do now but i think I am just missing some easy steps. I know I have to equate this with 1/2mv^2 and then probably take a time derivative...
 
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It seems to me that k is not a constant but is a function of mass. If it were otherwise, cricket balls would fall more quickly than cannonballs.
So if we calculate the work done by the fall and equate that to the kinetic energy gained we should be able to derive an expression for the time.
 
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K is given as a constant, analogous to Coulombs or the gravitational constant. The force could be expressed as

F = -k/r^2 = m[itex]\ddot{x}[/itex]

and we can see that acceleration is as always inversely proportional to the mass of the particle.

I believe you need to use U to solve this problem but I'm not sure how
 
In that case, the method I already outlined will work but the time taken will be a function of both the mass and the distance.
 
ok here's what I did

integrated F with respect to r and got W

W=-k/r + c1

using W = -[tex]\Delta[/tex]U I found U to be k/r

I then used the expression

[tex]\textbf{E}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{k}{r1}[/tex] +[tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]mv1[tex]^{2}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{k}{r2}[/tex] +[tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]mv2[tex]^{2}[/tex]

and since v1= 0 and r1=0

[tex]\textbf{E}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{k}{r1}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]mv2[tex]^{2}[/tex]

Now I solve for v

v = [tex]\frac{dL}{dt}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{2k}{mr}}[/tex]

[itex]\int[/itex]dL = [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\sqrt{\frac{2k}{mr}}[/tex]dt

I end up with

t = [tex]\frac{L}{\sqrt{\frac{2k}{mr}}}[/tex]

is this the proper expression for time t it takes for the particle to move to the origin?
 
Doesn't L = r ?
 

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