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The discussion centers around the challenges of applying to graduate schools in physics after experiencing rejections from initial applications. Participants explore options for reapplying, potential schools, and the implications of funding and application fees.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about being rejected from all four applied graduate schools and contemplates whether to seek employment or apply elsewhere.
  • Some participants suggest doing research at the undergraduate institution for a year and reapplying next year as a viable option.
  • Several participants propose looking into graduate programs in Europe and Canada, noting lower tuition fees and potential funding opportunities.
  • There are mentions of schools that may still accept applications after deadlines if they have available spaces.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of applying to a wider range of schools next time, suggesting that four applications may not be sufficient.
  • Concerns are raised about the financial burden of application fees, with some participants noting that funding opportunities vary significantly between institutions.
  • Another participant shares their experience of applying to a large number of schools and highlights the unpredictability of admissions despite a strong application profile.
  • There is a discussion about the perception of application fees in graduate school compared to undergraduate applications, with some suggesting that financial considerations are less flexible at the graduate level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that applying to more than four schools is advisable, but there is no consensus on the best approach to take next, as opinions vary on the feasibility of applying to schools abroad and the importance of funding.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the availability of funding and the competitiveness of graduate school admissions, as well as the financial implications of applying to multiple programs.

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So I applied to four grad schools, my PGRE score was 830 and my GPA is a 3.92, but I've already been rejected from two of the schools and haven't heard back from the other two, which leads me to believe I'm going to be rejected from all four of the schools I applied to, leaving me with no options...

I may be able to get into my undegrad school, but I was really hoping to get out of this place and go somewhere new. Is there any possibity of still applying to a decent graduate school somewhere, or should I just start looking for a job now?

Edit: I'm applying for PHYSICS.
 
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You could do some research at your undergrad institution for a year and apply again next year.
 
ModusPwnd said:
You could do some research at your undergrad institution for a year and apply again next year.

Yea this is an option, I'll have to talk to some people here, but I'm just trying to see what other possibilities there are.
 
Europe. Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands. Generally low tuition fees.

And possibly Canada.
 
Some places will still review applications after the admissions deadline if they still have spaces available. It's worth checking this out with any additional school you're interested in applying to.
 
Mépris said:
Europe. Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands. Generally low tuition fees.

And possibly Canada.

Yea this is definitely out, there's no way I'm going overseas, and even less chance I'm going to take on a penny more of debt. I'd only go to grad school if I'm offered full funding.

Thanks Choppy, I'll look into it, but I'm very doubtful, given the number of applicants that apply every year, that any school will have trouble filling slots, unless it's a dirt poor school, which I'd be better off staying at my current undergrad (which is not a bad school).
 
Sounds like you are going to have to do research at your undergrad institution or at least lower one of your expectations (full funding / top school).

I would also apply to a wider range of schools next year because nothing is guaranteed.
 
Yes, I am quite sure many schools are still receiving applications. Check this link and look halfway down the page:

http://www.uvic.ca/science/physics/prospective/graduate/application/index.php

It's in Canada obviously, and it is not what I would call an international school, BUT, it still has decent research programs, especially in particle physics and accelerator physics (it has very strong ties to TRIUMF, Canada's particle and nuclear physics lab). It's also fully funded, although the funding may differ a bit for an international student. Also, since it is in Canada you have the option of just doing a Master's. Then after that you could reapply everywhere else for a PhD, or stay at UVic to continue your research.

A lower ranked school which pays you is better than a higher ranked school which doesn't or no school at all (unless you are bursting at the seams with money).
 
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Below are some funded MS programs in the US.

http://www.physicsgre.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2860

Canadian universities offer funding in the form of a teaching assistantship and/or a research assistantship. The department also pays part of the already reduced international tuition, in some cases. If one is offered funding, one generally has enough to pay the remaining tuition, and to live off of.

Look into the German Academic Exchange. They offer some scholarships.

While the USA definitely has excellent funding opportunities, other opportunities exist elsewhere.
 
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Also, apply to more than 4 schools next time!
 
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micromass said:
Also, apply to more than 4 schools next time!

I can't agree more with this. If getting a phd in physics is the only thing you can see yourself doing in the next 5 to 7 years of your life, then you must apply to more. I think 10 is a reasonable number.

I am paranoid. I applied to 17. I didnt get into any of my top 6. My application profile was quite strong. Luckily i still had some choice and i am very happy with where i ended up. I don't think 4 is reasonable even for someone with a 4.0 gpa, 990 pgre.
 
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Well I applied to four because of monetary reasons, I financially couldn't afford to apply to a ton of schools, even if I wanted to. I did get two school fees waived, but others didn't offer waivers.

I'm in contact with a few graduate comitee people at some lower ranked (but still strong departments) schools, so I'll be applying to at least one, but hopefully a few more in the next day or so. I'll let everyone know how it turns out, but I'm not very optimisitic.
 
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For graduate school people are less likely to give you leeway as far as application fees than undergrad because you arent viewed as a teenager anymore where how bad or poor your parents are matters as much. (It still matters for people in industries where unpaid internships are important but luckily physics isn't really one of those. Internships tend to be paid)
 
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dipole said:
Well I applied to four because of monetary reasons, I financially couldn't afford to apply to a ton of schools, even if I wanted to. I did get two school fees waived, but others didn't offer waivers.

I'm in contact with a few graduate comitee people at some lower ranked (but still strong departments) schools, so I'll be applying to at least one, but hopefully a few more in the next day or so. I'll let everyone know how it turns out, but I'm not very optimisitic.

This may sound harsh, but you had presumably 3 to 4 years to save money to apply to places. I think of it as an investment or a bet. You gambled on your profile being strong enough and lost. I don't think its unreasonable to try to do paid research at your school for a year while you save up money to try again. Your scores are not weak.

Good luck.
 

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