Too Late To Make a Turn Around and Get Into Grad School?

In summary, the conversation discusses the difficulties of a student who started college taking sophomore classes, but did poorly in the first year and is struggling with junior level courses. The main causes are attributed to poor time management and taking on too many math and science courses at once. The student expresses concerns about their chances of getting into graduate school and having a successful career in research, given their poor start in college. The advice given is to focus on improving grades in current courses and not worry about graduate school admissions at this point. It is also suggested to review courses from the first year to strengthen the foundation for future courses.
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I'm a physics and likely math major, heading into the second half of the first semester of my sophomore year in college. I started college taking all sophomore classes having placed out of all freshmen courses. I did poorly my first year and this year, thus far I have started off similarly, only now that I'm taking junior courses, things are more difficult. I attribute the main cause of this to poor time management as well as taking 6 math and science courses at once this semester. My GPA after my first year was a 2.8.
I've recently started doing research in the physics department and it's renewed the fire of interest in physics I had before college. The only question I have is whether it matters at this point. With such a poor start to college, would I ever be able to get into grad school for applied physics and eventually become a researcher if I turned everything around now in my courses? If I could, would the grad school be at all respectable? Would I be at all respectable coming out of grad school? Should I reconsider my plans for my future career?
I read a post from ZapperZ on grad schools understanding, appreciating, and factoring in grade trends for their decisions, but how low and late is too low and late to make a turn around fruitful, such that one can gain entrance into grad school and go on to lead a respectable career in research?
 
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6 math and physics courses seems like a bit much for a semester.
 
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It matters, but you still have plenty of time to recover. I think they'll understand you took too heavy of a load. Still, it might not be a bad idea to have a back-up plan.
 
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Phyzwizz said:
I'm a physics and likely math major, heading into the second half of the first semester of my sophomore year in college. I started college taking all sophomore classes having placed out of all freshmen courses. I did poorly my first year and this year, thus far I have started off similarly, only now that I'm taking junior courses, things are more difficult. I attribute the main cause of this to poor time management as well as taking 6 math and science courses at once this semester. My GPA after my first year was a 2.8.
I've recently started doing research in the physics department and it's renewed the fire of interest in physics I had before college. The only question I have is whether it matters at this point. With such a poor start to college, would I ever be able to get into grad school for applied physics and eventually become a researcher if I turned everything around now in my courses? If I could, would the grad school be at all respectable? Would I be at all respectable coming out of grad school? Should I reconsider my plans for my future career?
I read a post from ZapperZ on grad schools understanding, appreciating, and factoring in grade trends for their decisions, but how low and late is too low and late to make a turn around fruitful, such that one can gain entrance into grad school and go on to lead a respectable career in research?

First of all, didn't you get proper advising by your academic advisor before you went ahead and enrolled in 6 physicis/math courses in one semester? I mean, c'mon! 6 courses in one semester is bad enough, but 6 math/physics courses? Suicide!

Secondly, you will probably not be able to get into the high-powered, brand-name schools for graduate school. However, assuming that you do very well the rest of the way, you can still get into respectable graduate schools, and your poor grades will probably not stop you from getting such admissions. You just have to set your sights a bit lower.

But as I've stated elsewhere, because there are many different tiers of physics graduate programs, getting an admission isn't as difficult as surviving through the graduate program, especially in passing the qualifying exams. What you have to be very concerned right now is that you didn't do very well in the basic, fundamental courses in your first two years. The courses you will be taking in your next two years are all built ON TOP of your shaky knowledge that you obtained in those first two years! Doing well in those subsequent courses is far from being guaranteed!

So if I were you, I would not put the horse before the cart. Stop worrying about whether you'll get admitted into a graduate school or not. Worry about the coming classes that you are about to face. That is your most important and most immediate issues.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
The courses you will be taking in your next two years are all built ON TOP of your shaky knowledge that you obtained in those first two years! Doing well in those subsequent courses is far from being guaranteed!

So if I were you, I would not put the horse before the cart. Stop worrying about whether you'll get admitted into a graduate school or not. Worry about the coming classes that you are about to face. That is your most important and most immediate issues.

This. There is no prize for getting through college quickly, especially if you end up learning less than had you taken it more slowly.
 
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My adviser didn't actually advise me at all on my courses and course load.
Thank you for the advice everyone. I'm not so distraught as I was before, knowing there's at least a sliver of hope, given increased effort and better decisions in the future. Would it then be advantageous to perhaps go back and review courses I didn't do so well in the first year or so to reinforce the foundation that they create?
 

1. What are the main factors that determine if it's too late to get into grad school?

The main factors that determine if it's too late to get into grad school include the application deadlines set by the school, the availability of open spots in the program, and the competitiveness of the program. Additionally, your qualifications and experience may also play a role in determining if it's too late to get into grad school.

2. Can I still apply for grad school after the application deadline has passed?

In some cases, you may be able to apply for grad school after the application deadline has passed. However, this is not guaranteed and will depend on the specific policies of the school and program you are applying to. It's always best to try to meet the application deadline to increase your chances of acceptance.

3. Is it possible to switch from a different field of study to a graduate program?

Yes, it is possible to switch from a different field of study to a graduate program. However, you may need to take additional courses or have relevant experience in the new field to be considered a competitive applicant. It's best to speak with an admissions counselor at the school you are interested in to determine the specific requirements for your desired program.

4. Are there alternative options to grad school if it's too late to apply?

If it's too late to apply for grad school, there are alternative options you can consider. These may include taking a gap year to gain more experience, applying for different programs or schools with later deadlines, or pursuing a different career path such as internships or entry-level positions in your field of interest.

5. How can I determine if my qualifications are competitive enough for grad school?

To determine if your qualifications are competitive enough for grad school, it's best to research the average GPA and test scores of admitted students at the schools and programs you are interested in. Additionally, highlighting relevant experience and achievements in your application can also help strengthen your candidacy. It's also helpful to speak with an admissions counselor for personalized advice on your specific qualifications.

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