Topology generated by a collection of subsets of ##X##

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The problem involves proving the existence of a topology generated by a collection of subsets of a set ##X##. The original poster attempts to construct the smallest topology that includes a given collection of subsets, ##\mathcal A##, and to show that this topology satisfies specific properties regarding openness and inclusion.

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  • Participants discuss the construction of the topology and the requirements for it to be valid, including the need for closure under finite intersections and arbitrary unions. Some participants suggest alternative methods, such as considering the intersection of topologies that contain ##\mathcal A##.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and alternative approaches. There is recognition of the need to ensure that the intersection of topologies is non-empty and that it satisfies the properties of a topology. Some participants express uncertainty about the original poster's construction and seek clarification on specific aspects.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring that at least one topology exists that contains the collection ##\mathcal A##, which is a key assumption in the discussion.

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Homework Statement .

Let ##X## be a set and ##\mathcal A \subset \mathcal P(X)##. Prove that there is a topology ##σ(A)## on ##X## that satisfies

(i) every element of ##A## is open for ##σ(A)##

(ii) if ##\tau## is a topology on ##X## such that every element of ##\mathcal A## is open for ##\tau##, then ##σ(A) \subset \tau##

The attempt at a solution.

I suppose the idea is to construct the smallest possible topology which contains ##\mathcal A##

As the elements of ##\mathcal A## have to be open, then each ##U \in A## has to be in ##σ(A)##. Also, ##X,\emptyset## have to be in ##σ(A)##.

Since ##σ(A)## has to be closed under finite intersections and arbitrary unions, I'll have to add all sets that come from finite intersections of ##X## with elements of ##\mathcal A##.

So my idea was to define ##σ(A)=\{S \subset X : S=\bigcap_{i \in I} U_i, U_i \in \mathcal A, I \text{finite}\} \cup \{X\}## but when I've tried to show that ##σ(A)## was a topology I got stuck, so I don't know if that set works.

It is clear that ##X \in σ(A)##, and that if ##S_j \in σ(A)## for ##j \in J## with ##J## finite, then since ##S_j=\bigcap_{k=1}^{s_j} U_k##, ##\bigcap_{j \in J} S_j=\bigcap_{j \in J} (\bigcap_{k=1}^{s_j} U_k)##, which is clearly a finite intersection of elements in ##σ(A)##. The problem is with arbitrary unions, I couldn't show that arbitrary unions remain in ##σ(A)##. Where is my mistake?
 
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There's a much slicker way to do this. Hint: the intersection of an arbitrary number of topologies is a topology.
 
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jbunniii said:
There's a much slicker way to do this. Hint: the intersection of an arbitrary number of topologies is a topology.

... as long as that arbitrary number isn't 0.
 
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gopher_p said:
... as long as that arbitrary number isn't 0.
Yes! Good catch. The OP will need to show that there is at least one suitable topology being intersected to form his desired topology.
 
jbunniii said:
There's a much slicker way to do this. Hint: the intersection of an arbitrary number of topologies is a topology.
Oh, ##\bigcap_{i \in I, \mathcal A \subset \tau_i} T_i##, the intersection of all topologies which contain ##\mathcal A## is a topology (I've verified that intersection of an arbitrary number different from ##0## of topologies is a topology, and if ##\tau## is a topology such that every element in ##\mathcal A## is open in ##\tau##, this implies ##\mathcal A \subset \tau##, but then ##\bigcap_{i \in I, \mathcal A \subset \tau_i} T_i \subset \tau##. Thanks very much for the super hint, is this correct now?
 
mahler1 said:
Oh, ##\bigcap_{i \in I, \mathcal A \subset \tau_i} T_i##, the intersection of all topologies which contain ##\mathcal A## is a topology (I've verified that intersection of an arbitrary number different from ##0## of topologies is a topology, and if ##\tau## is a topology such that every element in ##\mathcal A## is open in ##\tau##, this implies ##\mathcal A \subset \tau##, but then ##\bigcap_{i \in I, \mathcal A \subset \tau_i} T_i \subset \tau##. Thanks very much for the super hint, is this correct now?
Yes. The intersection is not empty because ##\mathcal{P}(X)## is a topology containing ##A##. Any topology containing ##A## must be one of the ##T_i##, so it contains the intersection.

This kind of argument is used all the time. "The intersection of all _____ with property P (assuming there is at least one) is a _____ with property P, and therefore it is the smallest such _____." It's an elegant and standard argument, but completely nonconstructive and so it may not give much insight into what the elements of the intersection actually look like.
 
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