Determine all of the open sets in given product topology

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Homework Statement



##X = \{1,2,3\}## , ##\sigma = \big\{\emptyset , \{1,2\}, \{1,2,3\} \big\}##, topology ##\{X, \sigma\}##
##Y = \{4,5\}## , ##\tau = \big\{\emptyset , \{4\}, \{4,5\} \big\}##, topology ##\{Y, \tau\}##
##Z = \{2,3\} \subset X##

Find all the open sets in the subspace topology on ##Z## and determine all the open sets in the product topology on ##Z \times Y##

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As with previous threads, I'm hoping I'm on the right track. Just looking to check my answers.

Subspace topology on ##Z##, ##\sigma_z = \big\{\emptyset , \{2\}, \{2, 3\} \big\}##

Product topology is generated by basis ##\{ U \times V : U \in \sigma_z , V \in \tau \}##

Thus the product topology on ##Z \times Y## should be created from basis:

##\beta = \big\{\emptyset, \{(2,4)\}, \{(2,4),(2,5)\}, \{(2,4),(2,5),(3,4),(3,5)\}, \{(4,2)\}, \{(4,2),(4,3)\}, \{(4,2),(5,2)\}, \{(4,2),(4,3),(5,2),(5,3)\}\big\} ##

Thus all the open sets in the product topology on ##Z \times Y## are found in the union of all sets of basis elements in ##\beta## , plus the empty set:

## \Big\{\big( \cup U_\lambda \big)## ## \forall## ## U_\lambda \subset \beta\Big\} \cup \{\emptyset\}##

Is this all okay? Thanks.

(Many topology threads incoming - this subject is definitely my kryptonite)
 
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The subspace topology of ##Z## has a basis with two non-empty sets, and the topology of ##Y## has a basis with two non-empty sets. So the product basis must have ##2\times 2=4## sets. The above list for ##\beta## has seven elements, so cannot be correct. Notice also that the first component of an element of the product set comes from ##Z##, which does not contain ##4##, yet the above list includes open sets containing elements whose first component is ##4##, so they cannot be from ##Z\times Y##.

To get the basis of the product topology, just write out the four elements of the Cartesian product of the two bases.
 
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andrewkirk said:
The subspace topology of ##Z## has a basis with two non-empty sets, and the topology of ##Y## has a basis with two non-empty sets. So the product basis must have ##2\times 2=4## sets. The above list for ##\beta## has seven elements, so cannot be correct. Notice also that the first component of an element of the product set comes from ##Z##, which does not contain ##4##, yet the above list includes open sets containing elements whose first component is ##4##, so they cannot be from ##Z\times Y##.

To get the basis of the product topology, just write out the four elements of the Cartesian product of the two bases.

Ah ok, I think I see where I went wrong. For reasons unknown to me, I took the products ##Z \times Y## and ##Y \times Z##

Second attempt, I'd go for:

##\beta = \big\{ \{(2,4)\}, \{(2,4),(2,5)\}, \{(2,4), (3,4)\}, \{(2,4),(2,5),(3,4),(3,5)\}\big\}##

And then the open sets in that product topology are all possible unions of all possible subsets of ##\beta##, along with the empty set.