Torque acting on a particle in rotational motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving torque acting on a particle in rotational motion, specifically focusing on the relationship between angular acceleration and the angle φ. The problem includes the particle's position vector, the angular velocity vector, and the effects of gravitational acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of angular acceleration and question the components of the position vector. There is a discussion about the nature of acceleration in relation to the angle φ and its derivation from position.

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The conversation has led to clarifications regarding the initial setup and the derivation of the acceleration vector. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original post, and there is an acknowledgment of corrections made. However, there is still some uncertainty regarding the relationship between the second derivative of position and time.

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Homework Statement



The following question involves a torque acting on a particle in rotational motion. It provides practice with the various equations for angular velocity, torque etc A particle of mass ##m## initially has position

$$\mathbf{r}=p_{o}[cos\phi(\textit{i}+\textit{k})+sin\phi\sqrt{2}\textit{j}]$$

The angular velocity vector ##\boldsymbol{\omega}##, gives the axis of rotation which is in the direction ##\hat{\mathbf{n}}= \dfrac{− 1}{\sqrt{2}}\textit{i}+\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\textit{k}##

Gravity acts on the particle, giving rise to a gravitational acceleration -g##\textit{k}## as usual.

Assume that the axis of rotation is fixed in the direction ##\hat{\mathbf{n}}##. Using the component of the torque in the ##\hat{\mathbf{n}}## direction, show that the angular acceleration ##\alpha## about ##\hat{\mathbf{n}}##, as a function of φ is ..

$$\alpha=\dfrac{-gsin\phi}{2p_{o}}$$

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$$\textbf{r}=p_{o}\begin{pmatrix}cos\phi\\\sqrt{2}sin\phi\\cos\phi\end{pmatrix}$$
$$r=\sqrt{2}p_{o}$$
$$\textbf{a}=\dfrac{d^{2}\textbf{r}}{d\phi^{2}}+\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\-g\end{pmatrix}$$
$$\textbf{a}=-p_{o}\begin{pmatrix}cos\phi\\\sqrt{2}sin\phi\\cos\phi-g\end{pmatrix}$$
$$\boldsymbol{\tau}=\textbf{r}\times\textbf{F}=\textbf{r}\times(m\textbf{a})=mr^{2}\boldsymbol{\alpha}$$
so, the angular acceleration about ##\hat{\mathbf{n}}## is $$\alpha=\boldsymbol{\alpha}\cdot\hat{\mathbf{n}}=\dfrac{{\tau}\cdot\hat{\mathbf{n}}}{mr^{2}}$$
(note, I cannot make the greek symbol tau bold (to show that it is a vector) when using the \dfrac command in Latex, how do I achive this ?)

Which I compute to be..

$$\alpha=\boldsymbol{\alpha}\cdot\hat{\mathbf{n}}=\dfrac{-gsin\phi}{2}$$

I seem to be missing a factor of ##\dfrac{1}{p_{o}}## from the solution the question says I should get. Have I made a conceptual error somewhere?
 
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In your solution:
1. you interchaged the y and z components of the initial position vector. cording to the problem statement
2. I don't see how you got the acceleration vector. Could you explain that?
 
Hi there, I have edited the initial post, apologies, I had put the unit vectors j and k in the wrong place, thankyou for correcting me. I have also included an extra line showing where the acceleration vector comes from, it is simply the second derivative of position with respect to phi + the acceleration due to gravity.
 
Why is the acceleration the second derivative of the position with respect to phi? By definition, it is the second derivative of the position with respect to t.
 
ok, so the acceleration should just be ##-g\textit{k}##?
 
Yes this gives the required result, thankyou very much for taking the time to point out my mistake.

Kind regards,

Peter
 
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