Torque and the Two Conditions for Equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around a torque problem involving a cook holding a carton of milk and the forces acting on it. The subject area includes concepts of equilibrium, torque, and forces in a static system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the force exerted by the biceps muscle using equilibrium equations but expresses confusion about their results. Some participants suggest drawing a free body diagram (FBD) and reconsidering the moment arm for the carton. Others emphasize the importance of rotational equilibrium and the correct definition of angles in the diagram.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the original poster's approach and suggesting alternative methods. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the setup and assumptions, particularly regarding the forces and moments involved.

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There is mention of a specific angle and the weight of the carton, but the original poster's calculations and assumptions about the moment arms and forces are under scrutiny. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the problem rather than reach a definitive solution.

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A cook holds a 2 kg cartoon of milk at arm's length. What Force F_{B} must be excerted by the biceps muscle? (Ignore the weight of the forearm) See figure attached. \theta = 75 degrees Please help explain what I'm doing wrong. Correct answer is 312 N.

\Sigma\eta = F(sin 75)(.08 m) - (2 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(.25 m) = 67 N

\Sigma F_{y} = F_{y} + (67 N)(sin 75) - (2kg)(9.8 m/s^2) = 0
F_{y} = -45.4 N

\Sigma F_{x} = (67 N)(cos 75)
F_{x} = 17 N

F_{B} = \sqrt{-45.4^2 + 17^2} = 48. 5 N
 

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I don't really understand your work. You are solving for some variable F, which i don't know where it came from.

Draw a FBD if you haven't already. Your diagram should have the two forces that are given in the given diagram (Fb, Fm), and a force at the elbow. Treat the elbow as a pin joint. From there you should be able to see how you can solve for Fb.
 
You need to take the moments around the elbow joint, so your moment arm for the carton is incorrect. Also look carefully at the diagram where the angle \theta is defined. You only need to consider rotational equilibrium in order to solve this problem, that is the sum of the moments of the two forces around the elbow joint must be zero is all that need to be considered.
 
Thanks

\Sigma\eta = F_{B} - F_{g}
F_{B}(cos 75)(.08 m) = (2 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(.33 m)
F_{B} = \frac{(2 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(.33 m)}{(cos 75)(.08 m)} = 312 N
 
Its a pleasure.
 

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