Torque Force of Rockets On A Satellite

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the required steady force of rockets mounted on a satellite to achieve a specific rotational speed. The satellite has a defined mass and radius, and the rockets contribute additional mass. The context is centered around rotational dynamics and the application of torque and moment of inertia.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular acceleration (α) from RPM and the conversion to radians per second. There is an exploration of the moment of inertia (I) for both the satellite and the rockets. Questions arise regarding the use of tangential velocity (Vtangential) and its impact on the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify their calculations and reasoning. Some express confusion over the conversion methods and the relationship between angular velocity and tangential velocity. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the online system's feedback on their answers, suggesting that rounding methods may be affecting their results. There is also mention of confusion regarding the definitions and applications of certain variables in the equations.

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Homework Statement



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A satellite has a mass of 4000 kg, a radius of 4.9 m. 4 rockets tangentially mounted each add a mass of 220 kg, what is the required steady force of each rocket if the satellite is to reach 31 rpm in 5.1 min, starting from rest?

Homework Equations



[tex]\Sigma[/tex]T=I [tex]\alpha[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



Simple enough. I had already solved pretty much the same problem in my textbook.

I got [tex]\alpha[/tex] by taking the RPM as the delta Vtangental and then multiplying it by 2[tex]\Pi[/tex]/60, and then dividing it by 306 seconds.

Then for I I used (1/2)Mr2 for the satellite body, and treated the rockets as point particles using mr2, and multiplying by 4.


I = (1/2)Mr2 + 4(mr2)


I wound up with about 183 Newtons per rocket, which the program says is wrong. This online system has a habit of telling you your stuff is wrong when in fact you're doing everything correctly. It uses some silly method of rounding off each step instead of just the final answer.

Am I doing something wrong?
 
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Hi Lancelot59! :smile:

(have an alpha: α and an omega: ω and a sigma: ∑ and a pi: π :wink:)
Lancelot59 said:
A satellite has a mass of 4000 kg, a radius of 4.9 m. 4 rockets tangentially mounted each add a mass of 220 kg, what is the required steady force of each rocket if the satellite is to reach 31 rpm in 5.1 min, starting from rest?

I got [tex]\alpha[/tex] by taking the RPM as the delta Vtangental and then multiplying it by 2[tex]\Pi[/tex]/60, and then dividing it by 306 seconds.

erm :redface:why 2π/60 ? :confused:

v = rω :wink:
 
Well the speed is in rotations per minute. So I changed it into radians per second.

31RPM x (2pi radians/1 rpm) x (1 minute/60 seconds)

I tried using v=r[tex]\omega[/tex] which gave me twice the [tex]\alpha[/tex] but the thing still says it's wrong. I calculated the moment of inertia to be 69148.8.
 
Lancelot59 said:
Well the speed is in rotations per minute. So I changed it into radians per second.

31RPM x (2pi radians/1 rpm) x (1 minute/60 seconds)

I tried using v=r[tex]\omega[/tex] which gave me twice the [tex]\alpha[/tex] but the thing still says it's wrong. I calculated the moment of inertia to be 69148.8.

ah, I got confused by your Vtangential (still am, actually)! :redface:

Your equations, and moment of inertia, look ok, except I don't understand where you're using v =rω.

I have a feeling that your attempt to introduce V is somehow spoiling he result.
 
Well then how could I find alpha?
 

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