Torque on a fixed reference of falling masses

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The discussion centers on the relationship between torque and angular acceleration in a thought experiment involving two falling masses. The user calculates torque using the formula T=F.d, where F is the weight (mg) and d is the distance to a fixed point. They initially conclude that the torque from the mass further away is greater, leading to the expectation that angular acceleration a' would be greater than a. However, the conversation reveals that the moment of inertia must also be considered, clarifying the relationship between torque and angular acceleration.

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I had a little thought experiment, in which there are two objects with the same masses near each other (same height) on freefall. If I set up a point that is on an instant besides the two masses and call it the center of torque, I get that the torque produced by the nearest one's weight is T=F.d, where d is the distance to the imaginary point. The other one is T'=Fd', where d'>d and F=mg. I find that the torque T'>T and so I expect a'>a, where a is angular acceleration. But for a small instant of time, the geometry of the problem will tell you that the angle of the first mass made with the point (call it o) is larger than the angle the other one is making, because they are falling on the same rate. And so o'<o and a'>a. That for me is very difficult to understand why... Am I missing something? Thanks in advance!
 
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FG_313 said:
I find that the torque T'>T and so I expect a'>a, where a is angular acceleration.
Hi FG_313, welcome to PF!

Why do you expect that? What is the formula relating torque and angular acceleration? Does it involve any other quantity?
 
Thanks for the quick answer, don't know why I missed something like that. If the moment of inertia is considered the result makes sense.
 

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