Total absolute curvature of a compact surface

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The discussion revolves around the problem of proving that the integral of the absolute Gaussian curvature of a compact surface in three-dimensional space is at least 4π. Participants explore various approaches to this problem, particularly focusing on the use of the Gauss-Bonnet theorem and the properties of the Gauss map. The conversation includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical arguments related to curvature and topology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the Gauss-Bonnet theorem and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the proof.
  • Another participant points out that the integral of the Gaussian curvature relates to the Euler characteristic of the surface, noting that the sphere has an Euler characteristic of 2, while other surfaces (except the torus) have negative even integers.
  • A different viewpoint is raised regarding the surjectivity of the Gauss map, with a participant arguing that if the Gauss mapping is surjective, then the integral of the absolute Gaussian curvature must equal at least the volume of the unit sphere (4π).
  • One participant claims to have found a solution involving the surjectivity of the Gauss map restricted to parabolic and elliptic points, leading to the conclusion that the integral of the absolute Gaussian curvature is at least 4π.
  • Another participant challenges this conclusion, stating that it is not clear that the area covered by elliptic points is the entire sphere, particularly in the case of the torus.
  • Further arguments are made regarding the necessity of showing that the Gauss map covers a hemisphere for the torus case.
  • One participant provides a detailed proof involving the concept of height from a plane and critical points, asserting that the argument leads to the conclusion that the Gaussian curvature is non-negative at certain points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the surjectivity of the Gauss map and its implications for the integral of the Gaussian curvature. There is no consensus on the validity of certain arguments, particularly concerning the torus and the completeness of the proof regarding the surjectivity of the Gauss map.

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Some participants note that the arguments presented may not apply uniformly across all compact surfaces, particularly highlighting the unique case of the torus. There is also mention of the dependence on definitions and assumptions regarding the properties of the Gauss map and curvature.

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Total "absolute" curvature of a compact surface

Hi! Someone could help me resolving the following problem? Let \Sigma \subset \mathbb{R}^3 be a compact surface: show that
<br /> \int_{\Sigma}{|K|\mathrm{d}\nu} \ge 4\pi<br />

where K is the gaussian curvature of \Sigma. The real point is that I want to prove this using weaker results as possible (in particular, the Gauss-Bonnet theorem). I tried using that
<br /> \int_{\Sigma}{|K|\mathrm{d}\nu} = \text{Area}\left(N(\Sigma^+)\right) + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-))<br />
where
\Sigma^{\pm}:=\left\{p \in \Sigma \biggr| \text{sign}\left(K(p)\right)=\pm 1\right\}
N is the Gauss application
and the formula is to be understood as "counted with multiplicity", i.e. we don't consider overlaps
(as follows from, e.g., the proof of Proposition 2 on page 167 of do Carmo's Differential Geometry). I'm pretty sure that this way will bring to some result, but i don't have any idea how to proceed from here! Thanks in advance for your help!
 
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Goklayeh said:
Hi! Someone could help me resolving the following problem? Let \Sigma \subset \mathbb{R}^3 be a compact surface: show that
<br /> \int_{\Sigma}{|K|\mathrm{d}\nu} \ge 4\pi<br />

where K is the gaussian curvature of \Sigma. The real point is that I want to prove this using weaker results as possible (in particular, the Gauss-Bonnet theorem). I tried using that
<br /> \int_{\Sigma}{|K|\mathrm{d}\nu} = \text{Area}\left(N(\Sigma^+)\right) + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-))<br />
where
\Sigma^{\pm}:=\left\{p \in \Sigma \biggr| \text{sign}\left(K(p)\right)=\pm 1\right\}
N is the Gauss application
and the formula is to be understood as "counted with multiplicity", i.e. we don't consider overlaps
(as follows from, e.g., the proof of Proposition 2 on page 167 of do Carmo's Differential Geometry). I'm pretty sure that this way will bring to some result, but i don't have any idea how to proceed from here! Thanks in advance for your help!

I think you are on the right track.

Here is another approach.
The integral of the Gauss curvature is 2pi times the Euler characteristic of the surface. The sphere has Euler characteristic 2 and all other surfaces except the torus have Euler characteristic a negative even integer. So for these the theorem is immediate. The only hard case is the torus whose Euler characteristic is zero. I am not sure how to do this.
 
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Here are some more more thoughts. But not an answer.

If the Gauss mapping is surjective then the integral of the absolute Gauss curvature must equal at least the volume of the unit sphere which is 4pi. This I think follows from the change of variables formula for integration since the image of the critical values of the Gauss map has measure zero by Sard's theorem.

For any surface other than the torus, the Gauss map must be surjective since if not the tangent bundle of the surface would be trivial - I think - but check this.

For the torus one would need to show that the Gauss map at least covers a hemisphere.
 
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I think I've solved: if \Sigma is a compact surface, then the Gauss map restricted to parabolic and elliptic points
N: \Sigma^+_0:=\left\{p \in \Sigma\biggr| K(p) \ge 0\right\} \longrightarrow S^2
is surjective (this follows from a simple geometric argument), so
<br /> \int_{\Sigma}{|K|} = \int_{\Sigma^+_0}{K} - \int_{\Sigma^-}{K} = \text{Area}\left(N(\Sigma^+_0)\right) + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-)) = \text{Area}\left(S^2\right) + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-)) = 4\pi + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-)) \ge 4\pi<br />
Is it right?
 


Goklayeh said:
I think I've solved: if \Sigma is a compact surface, then the Gauss map restricted to parabolic and elliptic points
N: \Sigma^+_0:=\left\{p \in \Sigma\biggr| K(p) \ge 0\right\} \longrightarrow S^2
is surjective (this follows from a simple geometric argument), so
<br /> \int_{\Sigma}{|K|} = \int_{\Sigma^+_0}{K} - \int_{\Sigma^-}{K} = \text{Area}\left(N(\Sigma^+_0)\right) + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-)) = \text{Area}\left(S^2\right) + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-)) = 4\pi + \text{Area}(N(\Sigma^-)) \ge 4\pi<br />
Is it right?

I don't think this is right because you don't know a priori that the area covered by elliptic points is the whole sphere unless I am really missing the point. I agree with you that this approach feels right and that in fact the Gauss map must be surjective for any surface other than the torus which is still stumping me.
 


I'm saying that
\Sigma \subset \mathbb{R}^3 compact \Rightarrow Gauss map restricted to \Sigma^+_0 is surjective

and that's for sure! If this statement is the problem, I can post the proof. Otherwise, I didn't understand the objection! (Anyway, thanks for your time lavinia!)
 


Goklayeh said:
I'm saying that
\Sigma \subset \mathbb{R}^3 compact \Rightarrow Gauss map restricted to \Sigma^+_0 is surjective

and that's for sure! If this statement is the problem, I can post the proof. Otherwise, I didn't understand the objection! (Anyway, thanks for your time lavinia!)

Give the proof. I don't see why the Gauss map is surjective for the case of the torus. And you are saying more - that the restriciton of the Gauss map to the elliptic points is surjective.

The arguments I gave, the Euler characteristic argument and the non-triviality of the tangent bundle argument both fail for the torus but work for every other surface.
 
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I guess if you take any plane and parallel translate it until it first touches the surface then it must be tangent to the surface at that point and the curvature must also be positive at that point. This is like Hilbert's proof that every surface must have a point of positive curvature. Very cool.
 


Ok, here is the proof. Recall that if \Sigma \subset \mathbb{R}^3 is a compact surface and \Pi is a plane, we can define the function "height from a plane"
<br /> \begin{matrix}<br /> h:&amp; \Sigma &amp; \longrightarrow &amp; \mathbb{R}\\<br /> &amp; p &amp; \mapsto &amp; \text{d}\left(p, \Pi\right) \:\:(\text{ with sign})<br /> \end{matrix}<br />
and dh = 0 \Leftrightarrow T_p \Sigma \parallel \Pi. Furthermore, the hessian is defined only on crital points, and \text{He}_h(p) = II_{ff}(h). So, if p is a min/max for h, then the matrix \text{He}_h(p) = II_{ff}(h) is semidefinite, and then K(p)\ge 0.
Now, if \Sigma is compact, in particular is closed and then orientable, so N:\Sigma\rightarrow S^2 is well defined.. Furthermore, by Jordan's Theorem, \Sigma splits \mathbb{R}^3 in two connected components, one "external" and unbounded, and the other "internal" and bounded. Because of the boundedness of \Sigma, there exists an R&gt;0 s.t. \Sigma \subset B_R. Let S_R:=\partial B_R. Now, let q \in S^2 and R_q be the point of S_R obtained extending the radious vector to q up to S_R. Let now \Pi:=T_{R_q}S_R, and consider h:\Sigma \rightarrow \mathbb{R}, the distance from \Pi. \Sigma compact \Rightarrow\:\: \exists M \in \Sigma s.t. h(M)=\max{h}. So, M is a critic point for h, and thus T_M\Sigma \parallel \Pi. Choosing as N the normal external vector, we'll have N(M)=q. Because of the arbitrariness of q, we get the thesis (or at least, we should, if I'm right!)

Is the argument valid in your opinion?
 
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Oops! I haven't seen your reply!
 
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Goklayeh said:
Ok, here is the proof. Recall that if \Sigma \subset \mathbb{R}^3 is a compact surface and \Pi is a plane, we can define the function "height from a plane"
<br /> \begin{matrix}<br /> h:&amp; \Sigma &amp; \longrightarrow &amp; \mathbb{R}\\<br /> &amp; p &amp; \mapsto &amp; \text{d}\left(p, \Pi\right) \:\:(\text{ with sign})<br /> \end{matrix}<br />
and dh = 0 \Leftrightarrow T_p \Sigma \parallel \Pi. Furthermore, the hessian is defined only on crital points, and \text{He}_h(p) = II_{ff}(h). So, if p is a min/max for h, then the matrix \text{He}_h(p) = II_{ff}(h) is semidefinite, and then K(p)\ge 0.
Now, if \Sigma is compact, in particular is closed and then orientable, so N:\Sigma\rightarrow S^2 is well defined.. Furthermore, by Jordan's Theorem, \Sigma splits \mathbb{R}^3 in two connected components, one "external" and unbounded, and the other "internal" and bounded. Because of the boundedness of \Sigma, there exists an R&gt;0 s.t. \Sigma \subset B_R. Let S_R:=\partial B_R. Now, let q \in S^2 and R_q be the point of S_R obtained extending the radious vector to q up to S_R. Let now \Pi:=T_{R_q}S_R, and consider h:\Sigma \rightarrow \mathbb{R}, the distance from \Pi. \Sigma compact \Rightarrow\:\: \exists M \in \Sigma s.t. h(M)=\max{h}. So, M is a critic point for h, and thus T_M\Sigma \parallel \Pi. Choosing as N the normal external vector, we'll have N(M)=q. Because of the arbitrariness of q, we get the thesis (or at least, we should, if I'm right!)

Is the argument valid in your opinion?

I believe that this is right but can't convince myself that the tangent space at the maximum must be parallel to the given plane. Pardon my stupidity.
 
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I was looking for a rigorous proof of this fact on my notes, but I think that is intuitively trivial (I was trying arguing by absurdum...). Maybe a look at this on a sphere could be useful to convince yourself (or, at least, I guess!)
 
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Goklayeh said:
I was looking for a rigorous proof of this fact on my notes, but I think that is intuitively trivial (I was trying arguing by absurdum...). Maybe a look at this on a sphere could be useful to convince yourself (or, at least, I guess!)

Right. But this is the same as the touching argument. Rest the surface on a plane then the minimum of the height function occurs at the touching point where the tangent plane is equal to the given plane.
 

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