Total Derivative of a Function of Two Variables

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The discussion revolves around the total derivative of functions of one and two variables, specifically addressing the appearance of the terms dx and dy in the expressions for the total derivative. Participants explore the definitions and geometric interpretations of these derivatives.

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  • One participant presents the total derivative of a function of two variables as df=(∂f/∂x)dx + (∂f/∂y)dy and questions the necessity of the terms dx and dy.
  • Another participant reiterates the same question regarding the appearance of dx in the total derivative of a function of one variable, df=(df/dx)dx.
  • A later reply challenges the initial claim by stating that df is the differential of the function f, not the total derivative, and provides a geometric perspective involving the exterior differential on a manifold.
  • There is a question raised about the reason for adding the terms in the context of the total derivative.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and interpretations of the total derivative and differential, with some disagreement on the terminology used. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different perspectives.

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There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and the assumptions underlying the geometric interpretations presented. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical concepts involved.

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greetings,

consider a function f(x,y);
the total derivative of a function of two varible is given by-:

df=(dou)f/(dou)x*dx+(dou)f/(dou)y*dy

here we have the differential of f(x,y).but i am not able to understand why the term dx and dy has appeared?

advanced thanks.
 
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consider a function f(x,y);
the total derivative of a function of two varible is given by-:
df=(dou)f/(dou)x*dx+(dou)f/(dou)y*dy
here we have the differential of f(x,y).but i am not able to understand why the term dx and dy has appeared?
Now, consider a function f(x);
the total derivative of a function of one varible is given by-:
df=(df/dx)*dx
here we have the differential of f(x). Are you able to understand why the term dx appeared?
 
amaresh92 said:
greetings,

consider a function f(x,y);
the total derivative of a function of two varible is given by-:

df=(dou)f/(dou)x*dx+(dou)f/(dou)y*dy

here we have the differential of f(x,y).but i am not able to understand why the term dx and dy has appeared?

advanced thanks.

Well, the bolded part is inaccurate, df is the differential of the function f, not the total derivative.

From a geometric perspective, if f:M -> R is a 0-form on a smooth 2-dimensional differentiable manifold M, then the 1-form df is called the exterior differential of the 0-form f and, assuming the cotangent space in the point p=p(x,y) of the manifold is spanned by the 1-forms dx and dy, the expression

[tex]df\left|\right_{p=p\left(x,y\right)} := \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\left|\right_{p=p\left(x,y\right)} dx + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\left|\right_{p=p\left(x,y\right)} dy[/tex]

is just a definition of the components of the 1-form in the chosen basis at the point p of M.
 
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JJacquelin said:
Now, consider a function f(x);
the total derivative of a function of one varible is given by-:
df=(df/dx)*dx
here we have the differential of f(x). Are you able to understand why the term dx appeared?

then why we are adding them?
 

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