Total Energy of a Particle After Discharging a Photon in a Moving Frame

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The problem involves a particle at rest in a lab frame that discharges a photon while a spaceship moves at a significant fraction of the speed of light. The goal is to determine the total energy of the particle after the photon is emitted, as observed from the moving spaceship frame.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the energy and momentum conservation before and after the photon emission, raising questions about the resulting energy in different frames.
  • Some participants question the terminology used for the emission process and discuss the implications of mass and energy in different reference frames.
  • Others suggest using specific formulas related to energy transformation between frames to arrive at the correct result.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and offering different approaches to calculate the energy. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of specific equations to achieve the desired outcome.

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There are mentions of potential terminology issues and the translation of the problem from another language, which may affect clarity. The discussion also highlights the complexities of relativistic effects on energy and momentum.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m is at rest in the lab frame.
The particle discharge a photon with energy 1/2mc^2 to the direction of x+.
A spaceship is moving at v = 0.8c in the direction x+ (in the same direction the photon is moving).
What is the total energy of the particle after it discharge the photon relativity to the spaceship frame?

Homework Equations


E = m{\gamma}c^2
P = m{\gamma}v
E_{photon} = pc

The Attempt at a Solution


Let's mark the new mass after the discharge: m'
And the new \gamma after the discharge : \gamma'
And the energy of the particle after the discharge relative to the lab: E_{particle}The energy before the discharge:
E_i = mc^2

The momentum before the discharge:
P_i = 0

After the discharge the energy and the momentum are same, so:

E_{photon} = 1/2mc^2
E_f = mc^2 = E_{photon} + E_{particle} = m'{\gamma'}c^2 + 1/2mc^2
so:
1/2m = m'{\gamma'}

since E_{photon} = pc we can say that:
P_{photon} = 1/2mc
and:
0 = P_i = P_f = 1/2mc + m'{\gamma'}v.
but
m'{\gamma'} = 1/2m
so:
0 = P_i = P_f = 1/2mc + 1/2mv.
so:
v = -c.
So the particle is seen from all frames with the same velocity and there for
the energy is the same that observed in the lab frame:
Ans = mc^2-1/2mc^2=1/2mc^2.

However this is not correct (by my reference), does anyone know why?
By my reference the right answer is:
Ans = {3/2}mc^2.
Thanks,
Shai.
 
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buc030 said:
So the particle is seen from all frames with the same velocity and there for
the energy is the same that observed in the lab frame:
The particle has to be massless, I agree (which is a bit strange, but possible). This gives a speed of c in all reference frames, but the energy is still frame-dependent.

By the way, I never heard "discharge" for those processes. Usually, they are called "emission", if the result is another massive particle. If a particle decays to two photons (as in this example), I would simply call it "decay".
 
You are right!
After I apply

E'={\gamma}(E-pv)
I get the correct result!
Thank.
Regarding the name of the process you are probably right, I translated this question from Hebrew so...
 
<h2><strong>welcome to pf!</strong></h2>

hi buc030! welcome to pf! :smile:

a more direct way would be to use the red-shift formula to calculate the energy of the photon, and the initial energy of the particle, in the .8c frame, and just subtract :wink:
 
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Yeah you have a point there :)
 

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