Total energy, speed, resistive force

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The problem involves a skier descending an inclined slope, analyzing the skier's speed at the bottom of the slope while considering energy conservation and resistive forces. The context includes gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, and the effects of resistive forces on motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, questioning the values used for gravitational acceleration and the calculations leading to the skier's final speed and resistive force. There is also a mention of potential discrepancies in textbook answers.

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Some participants have provided alternative values for gravitational acceleration and shared their own calculations, noting discrepancies with expected results. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations and assumptions made, with no clear consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance and friction are negligible, and there are discussions about the appropriateness of using different values for gravitational acceleration. There is also mention of potential errors in textbook solutions.

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Homework Statement



A skier of mass 70 kg sets off, with initial speed of 5 m(s^-1), down the line of greatest slope of an artificial ski-slope. The ski-slope is 80 metres long and is inclined at a constant angle of 20° to the horizontal. During the motion the skier is to be modeled as a particle.
- Ignoring air resistance and friction, calculate the speed of the skier at the bottom of the slope.
- The skier actually reaches the bottom of the slope with speed 6 m(s^-1). Calculate the magnitude of the constant resistive force along the slope which could account for this final speed.


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The Attempt at a Solution



For the first question my work looks like this:
(Total energy at the top of the slope) = (total energy at the bottom of the slope)
=> (PE at the top of the slope + KE at the top of the slope) = (PE at the bottom of the slope + KE at the bottom of the slope)
=> ((70g x 80sin20) + (0.5 x 70 x 5^2)) = (0 + (0.5 x 70 x v^2))
Taking g=10
=> v = sqrt(((56000sin20) + (35 x 25))/35) = 23.9 m(s^-1) (to 3 s.f.)

However, the correct answer is 23.4 m(s^-1)

For the second question my work looks like this:
(PE + KE) at the top of the slope - (80F) = (PE + KE) at the bottom of the slope
Where F is the constant resistive force
This gives (56000sin20) + (35 x 25) – 80F = 35 x 36
=> 80F = (56000sin20) + (35 x 25) – (35 x 36)
=> F = ((56000sin20) + (35 x 25) – (35 x 36))/80
=> F = 234.6 N (to 1 d.p.)

However, the correct answer is 224 N Newtons (to 3 s.f. probably).

What am I missing here?
 
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Use g=9.8 m/s^2 instead of 10. ehild
 
i know I'm supposed to use g=10 but i used g=9.8 anyway and that gives 23.7 ms^-1 and 230 N, which are both incorrect.
anything else?
 
I think your results are the correct ones. I have got the same.

ehild
 
then i wasted literally hours making the same calculations over and over. yay for textbook typos.
thanks for your help
 

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