Total internal reflection question

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The discussion revolves around total internal reflection (TIR) in the context of light behavior at the interface between water and air. The original poster is exploring the relationship between the angle of incidence and the angle of reflection when the critical angle is exceeded.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how the angles relate after the critical angle is surpassed, questioning the applicability of Snell's law in this scenario. Other participants clarify that TIR results in no transmitted ray and discuss the qualitative aspects of viewing angles.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the concepts surrounding TIR and the law of reflection. Some have provided insights into the nature of the angles involved, while the original poster seeks further clarification on the relationship between the angles when viewing from different positions.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the refractive indices of water and air, as well as the implications of exceeding the critical angle on light behavior.

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How do the angle of incidence relate mathematically with the angle of reflection after the critical angle, that is, in a TIR?
Say we have a person standing at the bottom of a swimming pool, if we take the n for water as 1.33 and for air as 1, we get the critical angle of 48.75 degrees. When the person sees the surface of the water that's further away, the angle of incidence (eye to surface) increases, but how does the other angle change?
The equation n1 sin(theta1) = n2 sin(theta2) doesn't seem to work anymore when the criticle angle is passed...
 
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It's not clear what your question is. The last sentence you wrote is the whole point of T.I.R. Indeed, the equation breaks down because sine can't be > 1. Which means that there is NO transmitted ray (hence total internal reflection). If you have already calculated the criticAL angle, then the only part of the problem that remains is the qualitative question. What happens when the person looks a the surface of the water at a point far away from him (in the direction // to the surface) rather than at the point directly above him?
 
Yeah I know, but what I want is a relation between the angle the person is looking by to the surface and the angle of the reflecting ray. I don't know if I'm making myself clear...

Once the critical angle is passed, how do you relate the angles?
 
student85 said:
Yeah I know, but what I want is a relation between the angle the person is looking by to the surface and the angle of the reflecting ray.

Oh, the reflecting ray? The totally internally reflected ray still obeys the law of reflection:

angle of incidence = angle of reflection

Look at a proof of this law, and you'll that there's no reason why it wouldn't also be true at an interface where a ray is (in general) partially reflected and partially transmitted.
 
Thanks, I was thinking that but somehow something didn't make sense.
Thank you.
 

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