Towers of integers and divisibilty by 11

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The discussion revolves around the divisibility of the expression \(5^{10^{5^{10^5}}}\) by 11, exploring methods to analyze this using modular arithmetic. Participants consider both the original expression and variations involving the addition of another term, \(10^{5^{10^5}} + 5^{10^{5^{10^5}}}\), while discussing the properties of powers in modular contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining the divisibility of \(5^{10^{5^{10^5}}}\) by 11 and suggests using modulo 11 for analysis.
  • Another participant asserts that the number is not divisible by 11, citing that its prime factorization does not include 11.
  • A participant questions whether the "tower" can be simplified using modulo 11, noting that many students find the concept confusing.
  • One participant states that since the expression consists solely of factors of 5, it is equivalent to 0 mod 11, expressing confusion over the source of misunderstanding.
  • A participant proposes a new expression \(10^{5^{10^5}} + 5^{10^{5^{10^5}}}\) and questions its divisibility by 11, acknowledging that both components are not divisible by 11 individually.
  • Another participant suggests calculating \(5^{10}\) mod 11 and iterating the process, while noting that \(10\) is \(-1\) mod 11, which simplifies calculations.
  • A participant outlines a method to analyze the powers of 10 and 5 mod 11, concluding that the sum of the two terms results in a number divisible by 11, but expresses uncertainty about the clarity of their explanation.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the original problem involves adding the powers or the bases themselves.
  • A later reply emphasizes the distinction between adding the two towers and multiplying them, suggesting a misunderstanding in the interpretation of the expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that \(5^{10^{5^{10^5}}}\) is not divisible by 11, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the expression involving addition and the implications for divisibility. The discussion remains unresolved on the clarity of the proposed methods and the final conclusions about the new expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of comfort with modular arithmetic and the properties of powers, indicating potential gaps in understanding the implications of their calculations. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of powers in modular contexts that may not be universally accepted.

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I'm really stuck on the following problem:

I'm trying to determine whether or not

5^10^5^10^5 is divisible by 11... i have tried a few different methods and can't figure this out.

I know the trick must have something to do with modulo 11, but I am not sure exactly how to get the result.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
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I can tell you just from looking at it that it's not divisible by 11. Hint: the prime factorization has to include 11 to be divisible by 11, and your number is 5^...
 
but is there a way to break down the "tower" into a smaller integer using modulo 11?

i know that indeed this integer is not divisible by 11, but many students are confused by the tower.

For example, 21 is equivalent to -2 for mod 23.

Is there a way to find that 5^10^5^10^5 is equivalent to some integer for mod 11?
 
5 is raised to a power that is an integer. Therefore, the factorization of your number contains only factors of 5 (a LOT of factors of 5 but only factors of 5). That is equivalent to 0 mod 11.

I don't see the source of confusion.
 
Ok, so let's take it one step further:

would
10^5^10^5^10 + 5^10^5^10^5 be divisble by 11?

i know that each tower is not divisble by 11, but what about when you add them together?

i'm not sure why this is confusing me so much...maybe I'm making it too complicated?
 
What is the order of 5, or ten, mod 11?

Failing that, just work out 5^10 mod 11, then raise that to the power 5, mod it by 11, then rinse and repeat.10 is easy since it is -1 mod 11, so in your example 10^junk =1 mod 11

of course anything to the power p-1 mod p a prime is easy to work out by Fermat't little theorem.
 
Here is how i plan to write up the problem:

We notice that powers of 10 (mod 11) form a pattern:

10^0 mod 11 = 1
10^1 mod 11 = 10
10^2 mod 11 = 1
10^3 mod 11 = 10
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So all the odd powers of 10 are equal to 10 (mod 11).

Clearly, the exponent of the first term is odd: it's some power of 5.



Now, we also notice that powers of 5 (mod 11) form a pattern:

5^0 mod 11 = 1
5^1 mod 11 = 5
5^2 mod 11 = 3
5^3 mod 11 = 4
5^4 mod 11 = 9
.....
5^5 mod 11 = 1, and the above pattern continues.

So, if the exponent is a multiple of 5, we'll get a 1. Well, the
exponent is a multiple of 10, so we do get a one.

Therefore, 10^5^10^5^10 mod 11 = 10 + 5^10^5^10^5 mod 11 = 1

So, 10 + 1 mod 11 = 0.

Then we see that this integer is divisible by 11.




Ok, that's what I have. It seems right, but some of the
wording/explanations seem a little awkward to me. Any comments on
this would be greatly appreciated!
 
You please see whether you have written what you mean in the post #1.
Do you mean to add the powers or power the powers?
 
add the two "towers" of exponents


thats is 5^... + 10^...
 
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addingtwice = multiplying with two.
Your terms is 5^10^5^10, and not something like 5^10 + 10^5 and all such complicated things. The terms can be simply expressed as the product of two primes 5 and 2 with some powers.
 

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