Trajectory of Centre of Mass: Sphere on Plank with Burnt String

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The problem involves a rough plank with a smooth hemisphere placed on it, connected by a light string. The task is to determine the trajectory of the center of mass of the hemisphere after the string is burnt, considering the frictional forces at play.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the smooth and rough surfaces on the forces acting between the hemisphere and the plank. Questions arise about how the hemisphere can exert a horizontal force on the plank given the stated conditions. There is also exploration of the center of mass behavior and its trajectory after the string is cut.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the forces involved and the resulting motion of the center of mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of horizontal forces and the concept of conservation of momentum, but no consensus has been reached on the exact trajectory.

Contextual Notes

There are conflicting interpretations regarding the forces acting on the hemisphere and plank, particularly concerning the role of friction and the net forces after the string is cut. Participants are also navigating the implications of the problem statement and the expected outcomes without needing to derive equations explicitly.

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Homework Statement


Lower surface of a plank is rough and is initially at rest on a horizontal floor. It's upper surface is smooth and has a smooth hemisphere place over it through a light string as shown. Find the trajectory of centre of mass of the sphere after the string is burnt.
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Homework Equations


Nothing special here.
I think the question is testing some concept.
$$y_{cm}=R/2$$
X cm is zero.
{for hemisphere}

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the hemisphere is smooth,the velocity of the centre of the flat surface will be zero and its centre of mass will rotate about that point.(wrt plank).
Here since centre of mass of the system changes.so the plank will also move.
But there is friction between the plank and surface. Can you help me find its trajectory?
 

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The upper surface of the plank and the lower surface of the hemisphere are smooth - So how would the hemisphere apply a horizontal force on the plank?
 
CWatters said:
The upper surface of the plank and the lower surface of the hemisphere are smooth - So how would the hemisphere apply a horizontal force on the plank?
The horizontal surface will exert a force because that part has friction.
 
AdityaDev said:
The horizontal surface will exert a force because that part has friction.

The lower surface of the plank is rough but there is no friction between the hemisphere and the upper surface of the plank because it says...

AdityaDev said:
It's upper surface is smooth and has a smooth hemisphere place over it

Note that I said...

How would the hemisphere apply a horizontal force on the plank?
 
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The hemisphere will just exert normal reaction force.
 
Correct. The plank and hemisphere only exert a normal/vertical force on each other.

If there is no net horizontal force acting on the hemisphere what does that mean for the motion of the hemisphere in the horizontal plane?
 
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CWatters said:
Correct. The plank and hemisphere only exert a normal/vertical force on each other.

If there is no net horizontal force acting on the hemisphere what does that mean for the motion of the hemisphere in the horizontal plane?
The hemisphere is at rest. But it's centre of mass rotates about some point.
 
How did you find ##y_{cm}=R/2## ? Could you elaborate ?
 
BvU said:
How did you find ##y_{cm}=R/2## ? Could you elaborate ?
I just leared the formula. the answer is straight line. but I don't know how to find thetrajectory.
 
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I am very sorry. Y_cm = 3R/8. the other is for hemispherical shell.
 
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The problem statement doesn't ask you to write any equations. You don't need to do that to solve the problem and deduce that the answer is a straight line. As you said they are just testing your understanding of a concept.

AdityaDev said:
The hemisphere is at rest. But it's centre of mass rotates about some point.

That might be correct but I suspect not in the way you are thinking.

The centre of mass is at rest before the string is cut. The net horizontal force on the hemisphere is zero. So what does that mean for the movement of the centre of mass in the horizontal plane after the string is cut? Hint: Think conservation of momentum & Newton's laws.
 
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I'm away from my PC for a few days so may not get back to this thread for awhile. In the meantime...

Do you think the straight line is vertical, horizontal, or at some angle and why? If unsure see last part of my post #11.
 
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CWatters said:
I'm away from my PC for a few days so may not get back to this thread for awhile. In the meantime...

Do you think the straight line is vertical, horizontal, or at some angle and why? If unsure see last part of my post #11.
straight line. the centre of mass will move vertically downwards since there is no horizontal force.
 
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AdityaDev said:
straight line. the centre of mass will move vertically downwards since there is no horizontal force.

Correct.
 

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