Transcriptional start sites are called promoters

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The discussion revolves around the terminology and concepts related to transcriptional start sites (TSS) and promoters in molecular biology. Participants explore the definitions and distinctions between core promoters and general promoters, as well as their roles in transcription initiation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the term "core promoter" and its relation to transcriptional start sites.
  • Another participant explains that the core promoter is essential for specific initiation of transcription, while the promoter includes transcription factor binding sites, similar to enhancers.
  • A participant asserts that TSSs are not promoters, clarifying that the promoter includes the region upstream of the TSS.
  • Another participant agrees that TSSs are not promoters and mentions finding relevant information in a textbook.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the discussion and suggests starting a related thread for further exploration of molecular biology questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is a lack of consensus regarding the definitions and distinctions between TSSs and promoters, with some participants agreeing on the general concepts while others provide differing interpretations of the terminology.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific elements like the TATA box and ATG in relation to core promoters, but the discussion does not resolve the nuances of these definitions or their applicability across different organisms.

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I know that transcriptional start sites are called promoters. My professor made reference to a "core promoter" on a day that I missed class (looking at notes from that day). I am not familiar with this terminology, can anyone help me out here?
 
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The core promoter is the element for specific initiation of transcription wheres as the promoter is DNA region which also contain transcription factor binding sites similar to enhancers.
I have only seen core promoter used for eucarya type of transcription but it could also be for bacteria and archea.
 


Originally posted by rockind78
I know that transcriptional start sites are called promoters.
TSSs are not promotors, the region upstream and including TSS is a promotor. I guess the core promotor would describe the most important elements for transcription to take place, such as a TATA box and the ATG.
 


Originally posted by Monique
TSSs are not promotors, the region upstream and including TSS is a promotor.

You are right. I don't know what I was thinking...brain lapse I guess.[zz)] Ian pretty much hit on the head with the core promoter thing. I actually found it in my textbook. If you haven't looked at 'em already, the "Genes" books by Lewin are excellent.
 
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This is more like it. Bring on more threads like this. Thanks for the great question Rockind78. Easy enough for Ian and Monique to answer, but important enough for people like me to need a little revision in

I'm going to start up a thread which we sort of had in the old PF, the Molecular Biology Q and A. The old version was more like a game, like, ask a question you knew the answer to, just to see if someone else knew it, or knew something better...

This time I think we will make it a free for all...
 

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