Transfats vs. monounsaturated fats

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The discussion revolves around the health implications of transfats and monounsaturated fats, exploring their chemical structures, metabolic effects, and dietary roles. Participants examine the differences between cis and trans isomers, the energy derived from various types of fats, and the body's processing of these fats.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how monounsaturated fats can be healthy when transfats are discouraged, suggesting that monounsaturated fats might contain both cis and trans isomers.
  • It is noted that most fats are in the cis configuration, which some argue is preferred in nature due to its more efficient geometry for forming complex molecules.
  • One participant claims that the body derives more net energy from saturated fats compared to monounsaturated fats due to the presence of double bonds in the latter.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that saturated fats are more fattening, suggesting that unsaturated fats are less likely to deposit on arterial walls due to their liquid state at body temperature.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the relationship between fat stability, cholesterol production, and the breakdown of fats, seeking clarification on their understanding of these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the health implications of saturated versus unsaturated fats, with no consensus reached on which type is definitively healthier or more beneficial for weight loss.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of health and fat metabolism, and there are unresolved questions regarding the energy dynamics of different fat types and their effects on cholesterol levels.

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with all the health advisories against consuming transfats, how can monounsaturated fats be good for you then? I would think that monounsaturated fats would be mixutures of cis and trans isomers, this cis being the healthy version. So why are foods that are rich in monounsaturated fats still considered as being healthy? do foods that are labeled as containing monounsaturated fats only have the cis isomer of the unsaturated fat?
 
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Because most fats are cis and not trans...

also, unsaturated fat is more healthier than saturated fat...
 
Revenged said:
Because most fats are cis and not trans...

so if monounsaturated fats are mostly cis, why is there a preference for nature to produce cis fats instead of the trans version?

also, unsaturated fat is more healthier than saturated fat...


yes i know.
 
gravenewworld said:
so if monounsaturated fats are mostly cis, why is there a preference for nature to produce cis fats instead of the trans version?
Most likely because cis (c-shape) is a more efficient geometry to stack together than trans (s-shape) to form complex molecules--see here for one explanation:
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2006-02/1139385004.Bc.r.html
 
It all comes down to how much energy the body can derive from the fat molecule. Our body is able to derive more net energy from saturated fats then monounsaturated fats. This is due to monunsaturated fats having a double covalent bond some where along the fatty acid chain that saturated fats don't have. Saturated fats contain fatty acid chains that contain only single covalent bonds, which makes it easier for our body to break down. Trans fats are unsaturated but there chemical structure makes these fats behave more like saturated fats than like unsaturated fats. When you are trying to lose weight obviously you would want less energy from fats, hence monounsaturated fats are better for consumption.
 
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Where did you get that information, that saturated fats are more fattening and thus unhealthy?

It all comes down to the melting point of saturated vs unsaturated fatty acids. Unsaturated fats are more liquid at body temperature and thus are less likely to deposit on your arterial walls etc.
 
Monique said:
Where did you get that information, that saturated fats are more fattening and thus unhealthy?

It all comes down to the melting point of saturated vs unsaturated fatty acids. Unsaturated fats are more liquid at body temperature and thus are less likely to deposit on your arterial walls etc.

From a human nutrition course I took. Supposedly when unsaturated fats are broken down for energy, it requires more ATP to power all the enzymes then a saturated fat due to the double covalent bond located along the fatty acid chain. Since fats provide the same overall energy but it takes more atp to break down unsaturated fats, the body receives less net energy from unsaturated fats.
 
I must be really out to a saturated fat lunch! My layman's understanding is that i) unsaturated fats are easier to break down because the double bonds are more fragile than single bonds, and ii) cholesterol acts as a detergent to help break fatty chains down into more digestible bits. Therefore saturated fats, being more stable, cause the body to produce more cholesterol, some of which ends up in the arteries.
I thought this was something I understood - - at least at a simple conceptual level. But I llike being being shown where I'm wrong. So if someone can set me straight, please do.
 

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